Cameron 3rd HoH

This is getting ridiculous now. He's gonna win HoH every other week and when he doesn't he's gonna win veto.

I have a feeling he is going to try and backdoor Cory instead of going right at him so that he can have America all to himself.

I can see a Felicia/Cirie initial nom, with Cory as the replacement.

He REALLY does want Felicia gone this week because he doesn't want her in the jury. She has made too many comments about how she would evaluate people at the end that shows she would not only be a bitter juror, but there are some people she wouldn't vote for regardless of what they do for the balance of the game. One comment comes to mind when she said she will not even consider comp wins, but only those who made "actual relationships" in the house because that is more important than winning a comp.

Now would that get in the way of other things, like getting rid of Cory, maybe not, but I really think his reasoning here is quite sound. Plus I don't think he really has any fear that he can take out Cory in the next couple of weeks without a lot of work to be honest.

I think his noms will be Felicia and Meme. Not sure if he will go the route of telling them both they are not the target or just not really explain much. He might even intimate to them that there is a bigger plan in place just to see if that gets around the house or not, Cam does like the mind games that's for sure.

Cory is REALLY trying to make it seem like he isn't nervous by making small talk with Cam saying things like "it's becoming a habit with me having to come to your HOH room just to ask how it's going and then leave."

The HOH comp was apparently some sort of puzzle because Meme said that hers was the "lowest number" or something and she is going to be embarrassed to have it even shown. I will be interested to see how she handles being on the block and how Felicia will react sitting next to her.

Oh, I forgot, the reason why I don't think he will put up Cirie is he will probably want to keep his word to Jared to protect her at least for now. If nothing else it might get her off his case when others win HOH going forward.

Felicia has somewhat of a point about actual relationships being more important than comp wins, otherwise people can just bulldoze their way to the end. But to not consider comp wins at all is ridiculous, especially the wins that come when your back is against the wall.

I see Cam's reasoning for not wanting her on the jury because she would never vote for him over a single one of the people left. So it's actually smart play by Cam. But will he follow through with it? I actually think he will because he does have a tendency to get tunnel vision, he just goes about it in a very peculiar way.

Cirie may end up ASKING to go home if she realizes that next stop after this week is jury and she is basically on an island. She wasn't going anywhere riding with anyone that's left in the house because none of them can win anything. Of course, the DR will talk her out of it because then neither part of their twist will have made it to jury

Now remember back when I said Felicia and Cirie may be making a mistake getting Hisam out so early when he was protection for them? Now we have no idea how it would have played out with Hisam's HoH-itis and my way or the highway attitude. But remember who he was up against? Cameron, who has since taken out Izzy, now Jared and most likely Felicia!

I don't see Cirie quitting at this point. She had Jared shore up a lot of things (or at least try to) for her this week and I don't think she would have done that or had him do it if she were planning to walk away. Plus I really think she wants to have a hand in sending Cory out the door for evicting her baby boy.

You are right, we don't know how things would have changed if Hisam had not left, but I am guessing he would have dropped most of his group like a bad habit the first time they stepped outside the line he wanted them to be in. He was the kind of person you just couldn't play the game with unless you were willing to just basically ride along and do ABSOLUTEY NOTHING other than agree with him for the entire game.

I look for another little dust up with Cirie and Felicia this week because Felicia will start talking about "what about Cirie" because people had talked about her being involved in so much before, etc., and this time Cirie might just push back a bit. Then again she may just ignore it as well, who knows?

Here's the thing about Cirie. It may be a sense of relief that Jared is gone as she can now play the game without worrying about cleaning up his messes. The problem is that the damage is done and will be very difficult to clean up. Now she would be foolish to not suspect Blue is aware of the secret. With Jared telling her that Blue just happened to figure it out, it's likely she is used to Jared lying to her and knows when he's lying. But that doesn't change the fact that Blue is aware. Her best move going forward is to just own up to it at this point. That could actually work in her favor as for a reason she made some of the moves she made.

So Cam was straight up with Felicia and told her she's going up and exactly why she is going up. That he does not want her in jury because she is too influential. Felicia told him that she's offended that he doesn't want her in jury but at the same time tried to tell him that if he is in the F2, she promises her vote. Cam didn't buy it

Felicia tried hard to get Cam to put her up next to Cirie instead of Meme, but he wasn't buying that one either. It was funny that she was trying to get him to say who HE trusts the most and he said he would not admit that and then he asked her and she refused as well. He then said he would sit the person next to her that would be likely to try to save her and she said "why Meme?" Well I guess that confirms what he already knew for sure! She tells shit even when she doesn't know she is telling shit.

Blue is another one who had an interesting chat with Cam today. She really thinks she is in control of A LOT in this game right now and is talking very directly with people, INCLUDING Cam. She is getting very pushy with people she has no right to push, but she seems to all of the sudden be entitled or something.

She keeps pushing her own agenda, even telling Cam that everyone in the house knows he wants to work with Jag and Matt. His answer was he also wants to work with Cory and America or really anyone that will work with him for at least a couple of weeks to give him some breathing room. She said she likes and trusts Jag and Matt, but they need a lot of "hand holding" and she is tired of having to guide them to the right path all the time, but she will still work with them for now. She also kept naming Bowie as a target very soon, even though it is no secret that Cam is close to her. She even did a little crying stint for Cam's benefit.

She is in a pretty good spot in the house, but she is shitting all over it because she wants to try to prove she is a real PLAYER even though Jared is gone.

There are so many people who think that Cam is such a great player in this game. But he is not even a good player. He's a horrible player and is a carbon copy of Frank Eudy from seasons 14 and 18. Every single week that he is eligible to be on the block, he is on the block. That is a clear cut sign of a horrible player. I understand that to win, you will most likely spend some time on the block, but not every week that it's possible for you to be. The only weeks Cam has not been on the block at some point are the weeks that he's been HoH.

I agree with your assessment that if you are always in the "gotta win" space, you are losing. But I am going to give Cam the benefit of the doubt for a couple of weeks to see where how he does at this point. He has had his back against the wall since the first week, albeit his own making by trying and horribly failing to become a double agent, but he really used this week in the house to start building a foundation for his game. He really didn't want this HOH and told Matt and Jag in the HOH room last night that he felt like a dick for winning because Matt, Jag and Bowie were the 3 right behind him and he would have been fine with any of them winning. He said he put his head down and just worked until it was done. He said if he had looked up and saw Matt and Jag right there, he would have backed off a bit.

Matt said he doesn't want to win that way, he wants to earn it for himself, so he was fine as long as their "team" got the win. Matt said he was just happy to see that he was actually pretty good at a puzzle comp because he thought he would be last for sure.

Now if Cam starts going right back to his other ways, I will be right there with you thinking he is a bad player that will have to win his way to the final 2 chairs if he can. He keeps saying the guy he has been for the last week is the guy he has wanted to be in the house all season, so now it is time to put it to the test!

Well Bowie would not have let herself win, and if Matt or Jag had won, there's no telling which way they would go. I would think they'd go after the showmance, but who knows, they had also agreed to get out first whoever comes back, so I wouldn't be surprised if they threw it to Cam in the end because they knew they were safe

ctown28 wrote:

Well Bowie would not have let herself win, and if Matt or Jag had won, there's no telling which way they would go.  I would think they'd go after the showmance, but who knows, they had also agreed to get out first whoever comes back, so I wouldn't be surprised if they threw it to Cam in the end because they knew they were safe

Matt and Jag did a lot of talking and planning all week. They would have went with the same plan of Felicia and Meme with Felicia as the target. Felicia was REALLY sloppy (more than normal) last week with her comments and she was telling MOST people in the house they needed to take out the person who returned and/or Matt and Jag. Matt and Jag know she was pushing that all week long to anyone who would listen Then she said if Jared came back it would be Matt and Jag on the block regardless of who won HOH. So, they were ALL in on putting her on the block. Of course she would try to save face and have short talks with both Jag and Matt saying she was looking another way, but they knew it was as fake for her as it was for them.

Matt and Jag are more in line with playing with Cam for now. They aren't going to target Cory/America because they are good with them for now. They are letting Blue pushing Cory and America to them and everyone else, and Cory and America to look toward Blue. They have said they will let them fight back and forth with each other, but they aren't going to take those shots right now. They grow more and more tired of Blue all the time.

chap5788 wrote:

Matt and Jag are more in line with playing with Cam for now.  They aren't going to target Cory/America because they are good with them for now.  They are letting Blue pushing Cory and America to them and everyone else, and Cory and America to look toward Blue.  They have said they will let them fight back and forth with each other, but they aren't going to take those shots right now.  They grow more and more tired of Blue all the time.

That's my whole point, they know they are ok for now and would rather sit back and let the others take each other out. It's actually the right play in this position. They are in a decent position with everyone and do not have to pick a side at this point.

Felicia rehashing her pitch to Cam that got cut from the feeds once she started pitching it to him. Gotta give it to her for trying:

ctown28 wrote:

chap5788 wrote:

 

Matt and Jag are more in line with playing with Cam for now.  They aren't going to target Cory/America because they are good with them for now.  They are letting Blue pushing Cory and America to them and everyone else, and Cory and America to look toward Blue.  They have said they will let them fight back and forth with each other, but they aren't going to take those shots right now.  They grow more and more tired of Blue all the time.

That's my whole point, they know they are ok for now and would rather sit back and let the others take each other out.  It's actually the right play in this position.  They are in a decent position with everyone and do not have to pick a side at this point.

Blue is getting kind of frustrated that they don't just jump on the boat with her when she is ranting about taking Cory out. This is what she was saying to Cam about having to "hold their hands and guide them through" which basically means when they don't agree with her, she just talks nonstop about the same shit over and over. Like you said this is the smart thing.

ctown28 wrote:

Felicia rehashing her pitch to Cam that got cut from the feeds once she started pitching it to him.  Gotta give it to her for trying:

https://twitter.com/ToomsBB_/status/1707923327866839334

I really can't give her credit for a pitch like this. I mean she is suggesting just pimping America out to the next guy in the house if Cory leaves and that has the potential to make America, Cory and Cam all a little pissed off. She just runs with whatever thought pops into her head and the reason is that they spent all those weeks going back and forth on votes that they always acted before thinking.