Invisible veto

ctown28 wrote:

I'd love to see Cory being evicted light a fire under her ass and watch her put together a string of comp wins and get herself all the way to final 2.  How funny would it be if there's a final 3 of America, Bowie and either Felicia or Cirie?

I just listened to the entire conversation between Jag and America and all I can say is that Jag is a much bigger person than I could ever be. He also has a very big heart. His main goal in this conversation is that they preserve their personal friendship and things not being awkward, especially not wanting her to feel isolated because he never wants ANYONE to feel like that. He is really a great person and has a big heart. And of course people will think this is just for jury management purposes, and there may be an element of that, but he did things like that with people in the game before jury even started, always checking on people to see if they were okay and such.

They were joking a lot and it ended up being a light-hearted conversation. They didn't agree to work together of course, just made jokes about it and America admitted the reason she was so upset is because she didn't see it coming at all and apparently she was joking around and really comfortable at the veto ceremony and the blindside is going to make her look like a moron for sure. Now I REALLY want to see it and hopefully we see ALL of it.

She did reveal some information to Jag that I don't think he knew and it was kind of while she was rambling along so it wasn't really like a sabotage kind of thing. She did say that Blue told her straight up she would never work with her ever again, so she might have to take that swipe instead of Jag and Matt, but Jag said he expects her to murder him in the game, but they can still be friends while doing it.

I agree with you Ctown, I would like to see her string some wins together and do some damage in the game, make EVERYONE play a little harder. She did tell Jag that she doesn't want to just get 1 more week or something, so it wouldn't be very smart when she is by herself to take the biggest shot in the house, which is true, but I don't see her doing anything else.

ctown28 wrote:

I jsut read some of the updates.  IT appears that America calmed down finally and when she finally went to talk to Jag, Jag threw Blue right under the bus and said it was a blindside becasue he felt betrayed by what he had heard from Blue.  WTF is going on this season?  It would be so easy to win this game.  You want to know how to get Jag and Matt to turn against each other?  If Matt puts me on the block and I win veto, I just tell him that I'm taking myself down and that Jag told me that his final 2 with Matt isn't real and he will be putting him up.  The pattern this season is just to take people at thier word and not follow up on it.

As I just posted, I listened to the entire conversation and it was really not like that. He was honest with her. He told her that he felt betrayed that he had done all this stuff to protect their group, but then he finds out that she was telling Blue information that he told her in confidence and he found that out BEFORE the veto was even played. All of that is true. He wanted to talk as a group with America and Blue both there, but first America declined it (saying fuck off about talking at all), then Blue had her talk one on one with America and told Jag she didn't need any further clarity and wouldn't be talking to America anymore at all. So, seems to me that Blue didn't want to be caught in some things she said as well.

America was pretty honest when she was talking to him too and owned that she told Blue before the noms that she might be going up as a target (that convo they showed us in the episode that supposedly happened after noms) and she did that so she wouldn't be blindsided, but she didn't actually tell her it was Jag, just that Matt and Jag had been telling her that Blue was a target for them, etc. She said she did that to sell the "all girls things" and to try to get her off the Cory track.

You are right that nobody does any fact-checking, but I have noticed that some people are being a bit more cautious in that respect lately, so maybe some of them are learning their lesson. I really wish this "group discussion" would have happened to watch the catfight between America and Blue and that would have been a very smart thing for Jag to do. Unfortunately he didn't see that as a game move, but more to clear the air and make things less awkward.

Again, I am hoping that America pulls off this HOH as well and make these people have to play hard. Will she take a shot at Matt/Jag straight up? Will she put up Blue and Bowie to backdoor one of them? Will she make a deal with them that if she doesn't put them up this first week, they won't put her up the next week (which is probably going to be the double)? Like you said, she could make a run at this, but she has to play smart and take the opportunities as they come. I just don't think she has the capacity to keep her mouth shut and/or control her impulses. That being said, I still want to see her try.

Felicia's arrogance knows no bounds. Her and Cirie have been talking all week about their path forward. SHE proposed a final 4 to Jag and he told her he was down (you can't say no, obviously). But he kept it superficial and so did she actually, they didn't name it or anything else. 5 minutes later she was telling Cirie that they could get lots of other people to take them out for them and waltz to the end, so she can't really bitch about them playing them (if they are) or not or either of them having to go on the block as a pawn or whatever especially considering Felicia (and Cirie supposedly) will put Matt and Jag up together with the reason that they don't know who they are really with and nobody can beat them at the end.

So anyway they have been making these plans that go all over the place. The targets are different, the boot order is different depending on what people made what comments or spent time with what person, etc. Cirie would ALWAYS spend the end of the night pushing Felicia to want to take a shot at Jag and Bowie (obviously thinking them Matt will protect her to the end until she has a chance to cut him too), but the next morning she switching up again.

Today she told Cirie they need to meet with Matt and Jag and find out for sure who Jag and Matt will be putting next to America as the pawn. Her and Cirie go into the scary bedroom and Matt, Jag, Blue and Bowie are all in there. They talk a little bit and Matt got called to the DR. She then said "we all as a team have to decide who has to sit next to America" and nobody really wanted to answer. Not sure what "team" she meant with the mixed company, but it was really STUPID to ask that in that group of people. Blue then said it will all depend on WHO wins HOH and then Bowie said tried a bit of levity by saying you know the "unexpected" will happen anyway meaning America will win the HOH.

A few minutes later she was alone with Cirie and said that the fact that they won't tell them means they are the pawns and she is pissed off about it. So now she said screw the final 4 she had with them, she is going to win this HOH and put up Matt and Jag on the block and tell them it is because they are tired of being used by them and Cirie of course agreed with her. Of note, Cirie doesn't ever SAY anything while they are together, only when it is Felicia and Cirie together.

Cory was pissed earlier also because he found out that Felicia TOLD Bowie that the first story he gave her as a plan was made up and Cory asked Cirie why she would do that. Cirie pretended to get pissed off.

In the meantime Blue has also told the mommas that Bowie is not as close to Matt/Jag as they once thought (they sold her on that one last night) and they need to make sure America goes this week. Blue said her plan with the mommas was to put up America and Bowie, they will evict America and Blue can "easily" pick up Bowie for their team.

And according to Cory Bowie is very impressionable because he won her over to his side in a week's time earlier in the game, he just couldn't convince Felicia to vote so Bowie couldn't do it. Yes, he was actually thinking that he had Bowie and Cirie's votes, but Felicia tanked him.