Jag HOH........again

Well Jag just won HOH again. The feeds had just been back for maybe 10 minutes and Felicia was already asking Matt who would be sitting next to America. He said there are only 2 options (Blue and Bowie). He then tried to explain something about why putting up Blue would be better, but Felicia interrupted and said Bowie has never been on the block yet and should have to do it. I just know in Matt's mind he was probably saying that he knows she thinks the same about him as well. The next thing she said was that Blue would ever recover if they put her up again because she "almost didn't recover this time" from it. If she was trying to keep Blue off the block that was a STUPID thing to say because it makes it more likely they would want her on the block so she can't save America and screw up their plans.

If Felicia would take 5 minutes to think about it, she should be hoping for the noms to stay the same and should not be pushing to put anyone in particular up as long as it is not her. Why let it get around she is trying hard to get Bowie on the block going into what she has predicted is a double eviction next week? Or maybe Bowie wins veto this week and takes one of those girls down and Felicia would more than likely go up. I have never seen one person shoot themselves in the foot so many times and still survive for this long.

When I woke during the night, I checked my phone and was not happy to see Jag had won. It's bullshit that he was even able to play. When they got the "transmission" explained that because it's a secret HoH, the winner will be eligible to play the following week. Well with this HoH being a timed individual comp, there was no reason for him to play, just sit him in the room for 30 minutes and let everyone think he played. Remember in season 23 when Claire won the "secret HoH takeover"? She was required to throw the following comp and that one wasn't even individual, it was the one they just used for veto standing on the ropes. They are worried that if they put Bowie up as a pawn, that will piss her off the same way she got pissed about it last week. Not doing it for that reason alone is a pussy move. Tell her she needs to suck it up and take one for the team. I really hope America wins veto but I'm not gonna count on it

They all knew going into the HOH comp last week that the winner could compete again, so there is no way they knew it would be Jag. America was second place in BB comics, so anything could have happened.

I know you hate that Jag has been evicted but saved and think he shouldn't be able to do that, but once again I will say it is a part of the game just like someone saving themselves with a veto or an immunity idol saving someone on Survivor............all part of the game.

I really didn't want Jag to win again either, but not because he was HOH last week. I really wanted to see Matt or America pull this one out just to change things up a bit. Matt would have been the same stuff, but at least he would have to get some blood on his hands too. America would have been interesting to see if she went right for the jugular or if she went after Blue and tried to make a deal with Matt and Jag.

Oh, and the Bowie situation is ridiculous. Jag doesn't HAVE to put her up. If veto is used, he has Felicia and Cirie to put up. Why should he piss off someone else or get new blood on his hands for nothing? Cirie keeps pushing that shit with Felicia, but she knows there is a final 4 with her, Bowie, Matt and Jag, so she is trying to stir shit up. I get she likes to keep Felicia's mouth going so if they get put on the block together Felicia will go, but some of what she is doing right now I think hurts her own game more than it helps anything else.

IT is NOT like finding and idol or being saved by veto. The veto and idol are earned by players for things they have done, winning a comp or finding an idol. Veto is not an extra comp being added in just for the sake of saving someone. Yes, finding a way back in is a part of the game now and has been for quite a while, but I will NEVER change my stance that never being evicted carries much more weight than someone who was gifted a second chance.

Oh, and I don't think Invisible HoH only got to compete because it was Jag. Invisible HoH shouldn't have been able to compete period. The precedent was set 2 seasons ago by having Claire throw the comp as a requirement, so what changed that now that is not a viable soliution so someone can't be HoH twice in a row?

ctown28 wrote:

Oh, and I don't think Invisible HoH only got to compete because it was Jag.  Invisible HoH shouldn't have been able to compete period.  The precedent was set 2 seasons ago by having Claire throw the comp as a requirement, so what changed that now that is not a viable soliution so someone can't be HoH twice in a row?

I am thinking they it was because there were going to be 2 vetoes in play and with the numbers being so far down, it would mean there was very little chance of keeping the HOH secret (unless Cirie or Felicia won and didn't say anything) and the likelihood that the invisible HOH would end up having to nominate half the house would put them at a HUGE disadvantage. Putting the invisible HOH together with the 2 vetoes was just plain stupid unless they did it about 3 weeks ago when there were more numbers to cover it up. Claire didn't have to deal with making the initial noms and didn't have to worry about replacement noms for 2 vetoes.

I get all of that, but the point is they've always made a big deal out of not being able to be HoH twice in a row. They set a precedence with the week Claire took it over. Sure, she didn't make initial nominations, Tiffany did, but Tiffany was still able to play in the following HoH because she was no longer the outgoing HoH. So by allowing Jag to compete, they threw out a cardinal rule they've had for 25 seasons that you cannot be HoH two weeks in a row (with the exception of final HoH) There have been plenty of other times more than one veto has been in play, Diamond POV and season 14 when Ian won the 2nd one come to mind and the outgoing HoH still wasn't able to play. I don't think there is anything nefarious by production here, I jsut think it's a miss on their part not realizing they had an easy way out, especially with it being a hidden comp

ctown28 wrote:

IT is NOT like finding and idol or being saved by veto.  The veto and idol are earned by players for things they have done, winning a comp or finding an idol.  Veto is not an extra comp being added in just for the sake of saving someone.  Yes, finding a way back in is a part of the game now and has been for quite a while, but I will NEVER change my stance that never being evicted carries much more weight than someone who was gifted a second chance.

So if you were a juror on this season, Jared, Cam and Jag would all be automatically eliminated from getting your vote if they had made it to the end of the game and sat next to ANYONE else? Especially in the case of Cam, he had to go from public enemy #1 to having a decent relationship with people AND win the only 2 comps they had that week to reenter the house. If he had done all of that and was sitting next to Bowie, you would vote for her?

ctown28 wrote:

I get all of that, but the point is they've always made a big deal out of not being able to be HoH twice in a row.  They set a precedence with the week Claire took it over.  Sure, she didn't make initial nominations, Tiffany did, but Tiffany was still able to play in the following HoH because she was no longer the outgoing HoH.  So by allowing Jag to compete, they threw out a cardinal rule they've had for 25 seasons that you cannot be HoH two weeks in a row (with the exception of final HoH)  There have been plenty of other times more than one veto has been in play, Diamond POV and season 14 when Ian won the 2nd one come to mind and the outgoing HoH still wasn't able to play.  I don't think there is anything nefarious by production here, I jsut think it's a miss on their part not realizing they had an easy way out, especially with it being a hidden comp

Just because it has not been done before, doesn't mean it can't be done now or in the future. In Tiffany's case, she was basically removed as HOH and her noms removed as well. If she had not been allowed to play in the HOH it would be production making her a sitting duck. I also think I recall when Jeff used the coup d tat that Chima and Jeff both played in the following HOH as well.

Regardless of what has happened in the past or happened at this time, as long as the rules for this particular week were made available and clear to EVERYONE in the house and they are all playing under those rules, it can't be seen as unfair. I know because it is Jag and you don't think he should be there, it makes a difference to you, but it could have been anyone and they all knew it going in.

It wouldn't matter who it is. And yes, what has happened in the past should matter, it's called precedence. I really don't care for any of the HG's this year, they're all horrible so I would feel the same way if it were any of them. My point here is that I think production just dropped the ball and took the easy way out to make their secret HoH twist and never realized that they could have just required it to be thrown the same way they did in the past

ctown28 wrote:

It wouldn't matter who it is.  And yes, what has happened in the past should matter, it's called precedence.  I really don't care for any of the HG's this year, they're all horrible so I would feel the same way if it were any of them.  My point here is that I think production just dropped the ball and took the easy way out to make their secret HoH twist and never realized that they could have just required it to be thrown the same way they did in the past

And of course we know that BB production has ALWAYS stuck to precedence and never strayed from it, right?

What I kind of like about this season is the fact that there are so many people who are really learning the game as the season progresses. Do they make VERY STUPID mistakes, yes, of course. Then they have to clean up their own messes and limp along. Seems to me that the people who actually "know" the game ran into the most trouble in this season because they also made stupid mistakes by overplaying (Izzy, Cameron, Cory). Felicia SHOULD have been gone a long time ago because she screws up everyone's game at here and there, even though she is an avid fan of the game as well.

I will take a chaotic season like this one with people screwing themselves up, making stupid mistakes and having to pivot over a season where someone controls every aspect of the game like Derrick in season 16.

I agree 100% that having a chaotic season is much better than a steamroll. And I should probably be happy that there is at least game play even if it is horrible and sloppy gameplay. I think what I don't like the most about the season is that there's not really anyone likeable in the entire cast so there's nobody to really root for.

I really wish we could get a happy medium between a superfan and a recruit. Superfans almost always overplay and overthink things, whereas recruits only give a shit about gaining followers and making jury

I like Jag and Matt. I really liked America until she went off the rails last week, but she cleaned it up and got back in the game. I would like to see how she does now that she isn't laying in bed with Cory all day. At least she did come up with a lucid and practical proposal when she talked to Jag and he didn't shut it down immediately (mainly because he thinks Blue is a bigger threat to him than America), but was cautious with it as well.

I still don't believe she is dumb enough to throw the veto to Matt, but by agreeing to it, she can always say she lost on purpose "as agreed" so they can still send Blue unless she wins veto of course.

Bowie actually does have a brain for the game, you hear it here and there when she talks with people, but it is almost like she doesn't want anyone to figure out she has a brain. Her problem is much the same as Cirie's, she is scared of the block and scared to actually make moves or draw attention to herself. She seems competitive but just holds back too much.

Felicia gets on my last nerve, but you have to admit she keeps things chaotic because of her big mouth. I still wish she would have left earlier, but she does bring SOME entertainment to me.

Blue does absolutely NOTHING for me. Her "persona" crap gets on my nerves and she is pretty tough when she needs to be, but I just can't hardly stand to listen to her any longer. If she leaves this week, it is definitely a win for me.