Leah veto

Feeds are back. Not confirmed yet, but from the conversation I just heard with MJ, Leah and Angela it sounds like Tkor went on the block. It sounds like MJ wants to approach Cam about voting out Tkor and/or possibly Kimo.

At the same time Cam and Chelsie are having "a talk" and she is talking about him being so awful, but then he pushed it right back at her that she pushes jokes on him and expects him to act a certain way but she doesn't ever stop with that. She asked WHY he never communicates that to her? Wow, she doesn't talk to him about what bothers her until she blows up. He just wants to be himself and she wants him to be someone else.

They get done talking and agree to be more respectful to each other. Then Cam made the mistake to call her the jealous type. She said it was not that, she just knows her worth and won't go there. She then tells him "on a game level" it is bad play to be that close to all the girls in the house.

MJ went to talk to Rubina and Kimo saying she feels for them. It is a hard game, etc. Then Rubina was basically talking about how she was going this week, she would never campaign against Tkor, that same old stuff, but this one really means that she WON'T and she is more apt to throw herself on the sword to make sure Tkor stays in the game. Kimo was comforting her a bit, but MJ was telling her she can't give up and things like that. Then MJ asked Kimo to give her and Rubina a minute. MJ gave her a pep talk and said that she needs to still play the game and play for HERSELF. MJ told her she only needs 1 more vote to keep her in the game, but Rubina started crying and then said she would not quit the game, but won't campaign. Then she told MJ she would never put her up, and MJ said she knows that. MJ then asked Rubina if she knew what Kimo was doing with his vote and she said probably voting for Tkor to stay.

MJ told Leah and Angela that there is probably no way that Cam or Chelsie either one will vote to evict Tkor even though it is the best thing to do. She said she was most positive that Chelsie won't do it and isn't sure if she should even approach Cam about it considering what is going on (the Chelsie/Cam conflict).

Leah then went to talk to Chelsie about threat levels and Leah saying she HAD to put Tkor up. Chelsie said the biggest threats in the game are Angela, Tkor and Kimo because people seem to get evicted sitting next to them. Leah said Tkor is the biggest threat and is right there on the block. Chelsie said Tkor has the votes to stay, Leah said maybe not. Then Chelsie said that Tkor is a bigger threat than Leah so that is why she should want Tkor to stay in the game. Leah said she wanted Cam to win the next HOH. Chelsie said Cam will put up Angela and Kimo. Leah didn't say anything, but that really doesn't work well for HER game.

Chelsie wants to get rid of Rubina this week, so she has a clear shot to Tkor without Rubina in the way. She knows Tkor and Kimo are not as close as they once were, so she is STILL working toward that final 3 of Tkor, Chelsie and Cam (all POC's) and more importantly 2 people who would choose her. But she will LOSE against Tkor, so why take that chance?

chap5788 wrote:

 Chelsie said the biggest threats in the game are Angela, Tkor and Kimo because people seem to get evicted sitting next to them.  Leah said Tkor is the biggest threat and is right there on the block.  Chelsie said Tkor has the votes to stay, Leah said maybe not.  Then Chelsie said that Tkor is a bigger threat than Leah so that is why she should want Tkor to stay in the game.

This makes zero sense. How the fuck is T'kor a threat dueto people going home sitting next to her? She's never been up before. And if this was even partly true, then the cast is even dumber then I give them credit for. If someone were that big of a threat when sitting on the block, then why aren't they the one to go home?

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 Leah said she wanted Cam to win the next HOH.  Chelsie said Cam will put up Angela and Kimo.  Leah didn't say anything, but that really doesn't work well for HER game.

Cam has no reason to win HoH, he's probably in the safest position right now.  

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Chelsie wants to get rid of Rubina this week, so she has a clear shot to T'kor without Rubina in the way.

Again she is making zero sense. She is on the block on eviction night, the shot does not get any clearer than that. Rubina is not a threat, especially once T'kor is gone

I don't know if it is because of the lower number of people or what, but all of the sudden Chelsie is playing scared. She wasn't doing that before, but I am beginning to think that she REALLY regret Quinn being out of the game. I think he was that one safety net she thought she had that she could pick up at any time if she needed it or something. Like her "in case of emergency" person to drag along to help her.

She has this fixation with keeping Tkor around. She really does want to have 2 women of color at the end of the game, even though she swears that Cam is her #1. Maybe because of all their bickering over his behavior has made her rethink that, but she tells him he is all she has in the game and his behavior is "not a good look to others" being too close to MJ and even Leah in group settings. She says it is not jealousy it is just the game aspect of it. If I were Cam I would tell her that at least he won't be put on the block next to her where one of them would surely go home. And why shouldn't he try to do what he can to keep from being a target for too many of them?

Anyway, it just seems like Chelsie is always worried now instead of just chilling, playing her game and building various relationships to take her further in the game. She KNOWS that Tkor is in the best position in the house where most people won't put her up (or at least wouldn't up to now) and most people won't vote her out. Plus she has 2 guaranteed votes in jury. Those are votes that Chelsie could easily pull in at the end if all three of them are in jury.

Her personal feelings are screwing up her game play at this point and I hope she wakes up and smells the coffee pretty soon.

Well the talks are underway to get Tkor out of the house. I know it is only Tuesday but these are the early talks and I have a feeling they are probably going to stick. MJ wanted this to happen even before the veto meeting was done saying Tkor is a bigger threat and has votes to stay and jury votes built in at all times, etc.

Right after the veto meeting when people went to their respective groups: Cam and Chelsie to discuss "the behavioral problems" she believes he has; Tkor and her 2 minions because being put on the block was harder for her than most; and Leah, Angela and MJ telling Leah there was nothing wrong with what she did and don't worry about Tkor being pissed. Then both MJ and Angela said that Tkor should go, but they needed 1 more vote. Leah suggested Chelsie, but MJ told her that would never fly, she protects Tkor all the time. Then they considered Cam and MJ said she wasn't sure if she should ask Cam about it because he protects who Chelsie tells him to protect most of the time. Angela agreed with that. Then they said they could possibly flip Kimo once he is given information that Tkor was ready to throw him away to keep herself safe or Cam to break that pact deal, etc.

MJ first talked to Rubina and got her to start thinking for herself in the game. I didn't think it would actually set in but she didn't share that with Tkor or Kimo at all, so that was a good sign. Then Leah went to talk to Chelsie last night and in between listening to Chelsie bitch about Cam's behavior with his touchy feely stuff, Leah was talking about threats and subtly brought up Tkor. But I thought Chelsie convinced her otherwise.

But then comes today. Leah pulled Cam aside and told him that Tkor needs to go. He said he didn't think they had the votes, etc. Leah made A LOT of good points about threats, and then shared with Cam that Tkor wanted her to back out on the pact deal and put him up because she wanted to be sure a guy went home this week, still trying to make this all girls thing fly. She said Rubina in down for it too, but not like Tkor.

Cam said he appreciates the actions Leah showed this week that his safety mattered to her and she stuck to her word (something he told her she needed to do and be more open about things with people she wants to work with, etc.) He told her if he wins HOH this week, she won't go on the block and he doesn't want to put up Angela because she has been honest with him, etc., but no guarantee there. He said it would be Kimo and Rubina.

They returned to the votes and Cam said he could talk to Kimo to see where his head is, but he didn't think that would fly. Leah then told him that MJ and Angela were down 99.9% to do it, so with him it is a done deal. She said if Chelsie wants to vote for her that is up to her. Cam said he was going to do some talking, but it all makes sense to him. Now I don't know if Kimo told Tkor about Angela using the veto ahead of time or not, but he was able to keep his mouth shut about Quinn's power, so I guess it is possible he wouldn't say anything, but I think it is a stretch.

The interesting conversation will be with Chelsie and see if she wants to shut that shit down. I think Cam will tell her that SHE told him to trust their final 3 group with MJ and now she wants to push against that to save Tkor, especially knowing that Tkor wants him gone as well. And he has to wonder why in the hell Chelsie didn't tell him this stuff was coming back up again. I believe MJ said something to him last week that she was just waiting for that talk to start again, but not that it was active. I believe Kimo was also there when Chelsie was pissed at Cam and said she wished Quinn was there more than Cam because he at least plays and loves the game.

Cam may just decide it isn't worth the trouble to be okay with Chelsie for the game because there are so many rules and constraints. They are not in a relationship as far as I can see, and the way she is going there isn't going to be one either. When he said she was the jealous type, she really didn't like, but if the shoe fits!

Oh, and Rubina is advocating for herself too. She told Angela that Tkor is the brains/strategist of their group and will probably win the game as a result. Everyone loves her and her social game is so great, etc. She told Angela that she won't quit, but she won't throw Tkor under the bus either. She will advocate for herself and promise what she thinks she can deliver. Angela asked her if she would be willing to make a deal not to put her or MJ on the block for their votes and she said she had no problem with that. Funny how Angela didn't try to get Leah in there as well, but I guess she was just going with votes. So if Cam is the other vote and gets the same deal, that would mean that her available noms would be Kimo, Leah and Chelsie. Oh and she said she already knows she will be a perpetual pawn and that really doesn't bother her at this point.

It does seem like T'kor will be the one to go, which is the smart move.

It's a shame that the Chelsie/Cam thing has Chelsie reeling so bad because she was doing decent but this seems to have unraveled her. I read something about at the beginning of the game, her and Cam talked about mutual attraction to each other but that it's not the time for it as showmances mess up games so they said maybe after the season is over. Well it appears that Chelsie took it as a foregone conclusion that they would get together after the season and Cam just kind of blew it off.

This all comes down to Chelsie being horrible at communicating and Cam is right that it's about jealousy. Now let me clarify that just because he is right about it, doesn't mean it was the right thing to say. I see no future for them after the show as she already raised that ugly jealousy thing so as soon as they get out of the house, Cam should run as fast as he can

I know Brooklyn was an intricate part of this whole situation because she was "pretending" to be a therapist with Chelsie and Cam being a "pretend couple" to supposedly teach each of them to communicate better and think about how things look from each other's perspectives and how they look to others as well. I watched a few of their "sessions" and most of it was Cam being called out for hanging around with Leah at that time and it "looks bad" and people will think they are a thing together even if they aren't, etc. Then Chelsie got others in their group to tell Cam the same thing about how it looks. So he basically told Leah he had to chill because people were seeing them as a thing and it would hurt both of them. So they both did, him more than her, but it was mutual. She moved to work on Quinn and Joseph a bit more, and even Tucker for a while.

But something else happened too, he basically clammed up and didn't talk much at all. Some people thought this meant he wasn't really interested in the game or didn't care if he was there or not, etc., so that involved yet another criticism of his behavior so people will know he wants to be there. But when he engaged, it comes back to this kind of thing again and again. At some point, he has to be thinking damned if you do, damned if you don't.

He did manage to tell Chelsie that in a group setting she piles on the insults on him with others and he doesn't enjoy that either. She said he should have told her, blah, blah, blah. They both agreed to do better within the guidelines, but then he made the comment about her being the jealous type. She said it was just her knowing her value and respecting herself enough to not tolerate being treated that way. He also said something very important at that time.....he said he gets told this kind of stuff in real life too, so it seems to me that he likes to hang out with groups of people, including females and maybe pays too much attention to them. So he is either a dog that doesn't want a relationship, or he is just free spirited and you either trust him or you don't. But I know one thing, if you don't like your potential partner the way they are and think they need a complete personal makeover, they will never make it.

I was really rooting for Chelsie, and I hope it is just being outside and getting short tempered like others have too, but if she doesn't get her head back in the game she is going to screw up what she has successfully built throughout this game. Cam right now is finding out there aren't so many strings attached to playing the game with others and that might be a bit liberating as well.

Tkor really has no clue she is about to be evicted from the game. She "tried" to be sociable with the group who were together a lot for Kimo's birthday and also some specific dances that Jankie had for them (like limbo and conga line, etc.) She sat there most of the time wrapped up like they were at the north pole and of course having a hat and sunglasses on at all times. Really all you could see was part of her mouth showing and her glasses. She would pop up with a mmm hmm a few times or a smile or something.

She did manage a few comments to Kimo but they were complaining that Leah did all this decorating so her and Rubina couldn't do it, even though THEY are his friends. She said the DR would not let her and Rubina do something they wanted to with the table and the bears, but let Leah do whatever she wanted. All Leah did was put some streamers around and put the ducks on the ground in Kimo's name. Tkor was just being ridiculous. Even Kimo had some sarcasm in his voice about her comments.

But after handling as much as she could she went to the balcony and sat alone (she knew that Kimo or Rubina would come). Kimo came up and she said she is just having a very hard time and apologized for it. She then went right into game mode asking for suggestions on how to talk to various people. She said she didn't know how she would talk to Angela because she doesn't think Angela likes her very much (after all the crap she has said this week about hating Angela, this was pretty rich to say).

Anyway she told him she was going to tell people she really wants to be there, she wants to see some iconic things like BB comics, etc., she is not a threat and can be an asset to people's games. Kimo said Angela likes deals, so she said she would tell Angela that her target is Leah and not her. Kimo said it was not a good idea because Leah and Angela are close (really, she had to be told that?). He then said he thinks Leah made deals with Chelsie, Cam and MJ not to put them up this week if they don't put her up next week so nobody is going to be targeting Leah. Funny thing is that Kimo made that same promise to Leah, but he didn't tell her that.

Tkor said she wants to share "her story" with more people so they see her value and Kimo said that was good. She asked if she should interact with Cam more and Kimo confirmed that was good. The Tkor told Kimo that Chelsie already told Tkor that she will definitely have her vote and Cam's vote so with Kimo's vote that is enough. That being said, she will still give everyone the respect to talk to them anyway.

Now Chelsie gets all pissed off when Cam doesn't tell her EVERYTHING and tells him not to speak for her because they are individuals, etc., but here she is making promises with his vote that he is not going to keep. When she left him out of the Joseph vote, he was REALLY pissed and she said she would not ever do that again. Now he is planning on talking to her tonight or tomorrow about his plans to vote out Tkor and why, so I wonder if she will tell him she already told Tkor he was voting with her or not say anything. Then what happens if Tkor tells him that Chelsie already spoke for him? Will there be more trouble in paradise? Will she try to MAKE him vote against his own best interests? Will she give him the silent treatment and say he is siding with MJ and Leah instead of her? Could get interesting once again, but I don't think she will win this argument.

I watched him tonight making sure he wasn't sitting to close to Leah or MJ and trying to make sure he was around Chelsie. If you look at body language to be honest, I see much more chemistry between him and Leah than anyone else. Him and MJ are more like buddies, but he looks at Leah in a much different way. Just wait til he shares with Chelsie if he wins HOH that he made a deal with Leah for this week too.

Well, I stand corrected! Chelsie, Cam and MJ talked tonight and some points were made by MJ and Cam to Chelsie (hard to hear in that backyard with planes and shit). Anyway, she is ready to vote out Tkor. They are going to go over more pros and cons tomorrow (hopefully) so they have a plan for double and everything like that.

The part that really put Chelsie over the top was she heard from more than 1 person (even Tkor) that she wanted Leah to break the pact and send Cam out. Cam said that to Chelsie and I think she knew she had to stick to this or lose him in the process. Seems some of her words when pissed and talking about Cam went further than she wanted them to with Tkor.

Now will they tell her beforehand, or let her be blindsided?

AS long as they stick to the plan and get T'kor out, then I'm fine with whoever ends up winning the season. This is assuming there is no battle back, but those are usually physical o I wouldn't think T'kor would stand a chance anyhow.

Now I say I'd be fine with any of them because I really don't think Rubina stands a chance in final 2 against any of them. I'd even be fine with Angela because she has brought a lot of entertainment this season and is actually playing better than she is being given credit for

So Chelsie is trying to talk Cam into keeping T'kor but he's not having it. She seems to think T'kor would be better for the both of them at F5 rather than getting rid of her now. This better not wok, I need T'kor out of this game

ctown28 wrote:

AS long as they stick to the plan and get T'kor out, then I'm fine with whoever ends up winning the season.  This is assuming there is no battle back, but those are usually physical o I wouldn't think T'kor would stand a chance anyhow.

Now I say I'd be fine with any of them because I really don't think Rubina stands a chance in  final 2 against any of them.  I'd even be fine with Angela because she has brought a lot of entertainment this season and is actually playing better than she is being given credit for

Yes, I have to admit that I would vote for Angela over Tkor, Kimo or Rubina because she is actually playing the game. I really would like to see these 3 and Angela leave next and then play it out, but I have this terrible feeling that Tkor is going to end up staying because Chelsie talks to Cam a lot differently when MJ isn't there and the Cam talked to Tkor and she denied saying she wanted Leah to break that pact and put him up and out. He said he doesn't know who to believe. At the end of their talk, Cam told Tkor that MJ was the one who told him about breaking the pact. So, if he was supposedly playing to a final 3 with Chelsie and MJ, that is sure a funny way to show it.

I knew it was too easy when Chelsie was right up there with it. The jealousy is rearing its ugly head with this decision too because Chelsie is making shit up about Leah and why Cam shouldn't trust her or the things she says. He pointed to him being safe this week, and she said it was only because she HAD to or he would have been on the block next to Kimo.

ctown28 wrote:

So Chelsie is trying to talk Cam into keeping T'kor but he's not having it.  She seems to think T'kor would be better for the both of them at F5 rather than getting rid of her now.  This better not wok, I need T'kor out of this game

I don't understand why he would believe Tkor about whether or not she wanted the deal broken and him on the block to send him home. If she had said this, she is NOT going to say "oh yes, I did say that, but don't let that bother you and please vote to keep me now." It is not rocket science. He needs to ask Rubina about that because she would tell him the truth. For that matter, Chelsie KNOWS this was said because she said it to her as well.

Another red flag for him SHOULD be that Tkor said she would NEVER touch Chelsie in this game. Guess that tells him where he rates, right? That gives Chelsie 2 options to the end of the game.

Cam asked Tkor who she would put up if she won HOH this week and she said Angela and Leah with MJ as the renom and he was fine with that. But, what makes him think she is telling the truth about that either? She was ready to kick Kimo to the curb earlier in the week or have Leah break a public deal to get him on the block to send him home, plus she has turned on alliances before as well. So, what makes her a paragon of virtue. I sure hope he thinks about this for himself and I hope that MJ and maybe Leah get to talk to him. But I don't think MJ will take the chance on being alone with him with Chelsie feeling like she does and Leah really has no reason to meet with him.

Tkor told Rubina today that she is going to be very upset when Rubina is evicted, like it is a done deal. This kind of pissed Rubina off, so maybe she will be a little bit more of an open book about the information she actually has.

chap5788 wrote:

Cam talked to Tkor and she denied saying she wanted Leah to break that pact and put him up and out.  He said he doesn't know who to believe.  

This kind of shit drives me nuts. When there's a discrepancy like this, you get the parties involved and hash it out. Doesn't need to be full house meeting just the participants in said discussions. They may not tell the truth but you can tell pretty easily who is making shit up, espeicalliy with T'kor and she just shuts down and stops talking.

ctown28 wrote:

chap5788 wrote:

 Cam talked to Tkor and she denied saying she wanted Leah to break that pact and put him up and out.  He said he doesn't know who to believe.  

This kind of shit drives me nuts.  When there's a discrepancy like this, you get the parties involved and hash it out.  Doesn't need to be full house meeting just the participants in said discussions.  They may not tell the truth but you can tell pretty easily who is making shit up, espeicalliy with T'kor and she just shuts down and stops talking.

That is EXACTLY what I thought while watching the conversations. Like I said, there is no way Tkor or anyone else is going to admit something like that especially when they are on the block and looking for votes. MJ has never lied to him, so why would she start now? I don't Leah has lied to him either and she could have easily listened to others and put him on the block next to Chelsie but she didn't. Those are the 2 sources for this information and he wonders who to believe because Tkor says it isn't true?

It doesn't help that Chelsie and now MJ to an extent suspect Leah is trying to cause a wedge between the 3 of them, but they are letting it come to fruition. They should look at things logically just like they did last week and do what makes the most sense. Tkor is the brains of the snake, Kimo is second but he is safe. Rubina would be thankful for being saved and has already said she would offer safety to a couple of them.

The last conversations I saw early yesterday were that Tkor was going to be evicted. But Chelsie was starting to waiver and Cam started to tell her last night that he really doesn't care which one goes this week, but before they could finish that talk MJ came over, which should be fine since they are supposedly voting together, but then Leah crashed the party and would not take a hint and leave until everyone went to bed. She said she is feeling weird about things because nobody has really wanted to talk to her about anything even though she is HOH. Chelsie told her it is normal for everyone to leave the HOH alone once their job is done, but once people decide the vote they will let her know if she wants, etc.

I was skeptical about what would happen and have been checking in and listening in here and there today, but missed a couple of conversations, seeing only the end of it. But I read on one of the updates that Chelsie told Kimo that Tkor was being evicted, but not to tell her for now so she doesn't "get in her head" about it. Not sure what difference that makes UNLESS she is planning on flipping Cam back the other way.

Angela told Kimo that she is voting to keep Rubina no matter what anyone else is doing. She is going to vote each week from her heart and not what others dictate like what happened with her 2 votes against him. She said she didn't know for sure what was going to happen because she doesn't know Chelsie's plans, but Kimo would probably be the tiebreaker. This stressed him out even more. She kept saying she would not influence his vote, but then said he needs to talk to Rubina because she has information that HE needs in order to make a decision and he should know that Angela will back up what Rubina says because she knows it is true as well. I think this is about her letting saying Kimo would have to go this week (if noms stayed the same) so they could work the all girls thing.

I just get this weird feeling that Chelsie is not going to go through with this vote. I am thinking this is also a test for Cam for her to see if he will choose what SHE wants or go with what MJ and Leah want. Sad to say that this jealousy thing is ruining her game for her. Watching Cam last night playing musical chairs to be sure he wasn't sitting next to MJ or Leah and trying not to really engage with either of them was very weird. They all ended up having fun singing their song they wrote about big brother friendship and a talent show thing, but he was still walking on egg shells when they were sitting and telling stories.