Jared veto

Cameron was drawn and not HG choice as expected.

They haven't done this one in a while, ever since Asian James just made it a point to wreck shit instead of looking, but how about a hide and go veto.

That one doesn't really favor anyone and is basically a crapshoot

So now Cirie told Jared that if CAmeron wins veto, he should put her up as a replacement. The reasoning is that will help Jared repair his realationships in the house.

Hmm, maybe she's just tired of being with these people and wants to go back home and watch the rest of the season with Izzy. I guarantee that if she goes up and out, Jareds game will spiral even further out of control

If Cam does end up winning and Jared even considers putting Cirie up, there's no way that the DR doesn't talk him out of it. They may even pull out that only used one time ever rule about not being able to tell the person they are going up.

Speculation online is that this week will be OTEV

It is really bizarre that Cirie has NEVER been picked for veto. I know it CAN happen, but really what are the odds. I am beginning to think her chip isn't in that damn bag.

Cory got hg's choice and picked Jag. America picked Jag's chip so she had to redraw and of course she picked Cam's chip. They made a plan last night if Cam was picked and won and IF he wants to use it, Cory thinks America should be taken down and he will try to win the votes against Jag (which is who they originally thought Jared would put up there). But Jared said more than once last night in mixed company that his replacement would have to be Bowie because of his relationships in the house. If Jared was dumb enough to do that, it would play right into the rest of the house's hands because none of his targets would go with Bowie against Cory.

Now Cory against Cirie should be a no-brainer, but when Jared mentioned it to Blue she said she "feels icky" about that decision. She is probably thinking it is a test from him and Cirie or something, but the next thought in her mind is for her own game having a final 3 and final 4 that involves Cirie that Jared supposedly would never break and then a final 3 on the other side of the house with Jag and Matt (not sure how serious this one is to be honest). It will be interesting if she shares that with her other group or not, I am thinking she won't do that.

Now the problem with Cirie being on that block is Matt. He still hears Reilly telling him to trust Cirie 100%, so I don't know if he would vote against her or not. It would take Cory, America and Jag all talking to him about the events in the house that point to her being dishonest and I think the ONLY one that would get through to him would be the power thing being revealed to Jared before Matt told him. For whatever reason, Jag has been holding that on back.

Meme also will NEVER keep Cory over Cirie. That being said, Felicia I think might just keep Cory because Meme told her how the whole vote thing went down and Cirie and Jared tried to screw her over and lied to her about it. So, let's count votes...................America, Jag, Felicia, Cam and Matt. If Matt flakes, they might be able to get Meme by downloading a bit more information to her from Cory AND a promise of safety for next week.

As far as Cirie, she is such a fucking quitter/loser. Her problem is she has been in the house several weeks and has never actually played the game. She has had others do it for her. When Izzy left, she feels alone and she knows that Jared's game is going in the toilet too. Her biggest fear is being on the block against Jared and HE goes home and that is EXACTLY what could happen in the DE next week.

I just had a thought. How funny would it be if Cirie goes in the first eviction. Jared goes in the second eviction and they have to face off against Izzy to battle to return to the house? The three controlling the house battling to come back in! Cirie will just sit down, won't even try no matter what the comp is (oh, maybe it will be a fire making comp! ) This would be EPIC!

I get they all want to make sure Cam doesn't win veto, but they sat there last night and explained all the tricks to just about every damn veto comp to JARED of all people. He didn't even know what OTEV was and not just by name, they had to explain it over and over to him, when he wasn't really understanding it that well he said "I'm not worried about ANYONE beating me in an athletic comp at all. Then they explained the stay/fold and guessing amounts as well.

This morning Cirie and Felicia are telling Bowie everything she needs to know about OTEV too. She is so scatter-brained and would never want to make a decision, even a veto decision, she isn't going to try ANYWAY.

Unless I was directly playing the game with a certain person, I wouldn't be telling them every little detail about it. Cory and America know them all so why not narrow the odds that way?

I also wonder about possibly doing a face-morph thing as well because they have not done that for a very long time. They seem to be wanting to bring back classics that used to be a staple and that one used to be done just about every season. This is one season where NOBODY has been studying the memory wall for facial features, probably because it hasn't been done for a while. I would think this might favor America out of all of them because she notices people eyes and things. It might have been good for Matt since he has to watch the lips when people talk, but he isn't playing. I don't think Cam would do well at this to be honest, but he may have been studying it and not being obvious about it with his pig suit hood and glasses on sitting at the table. Cory would also be one who has probably looked at that stuff in the wee hours of the morning when people are in bed.

Face morph is 100% not on the books for this season. If they did, it would bring attention ot the HG's facial features and could expose the Cirie/Jared relationship. I'll be surprised if it's OTEV as I would think Julie will promote it on the Thursday show the week before since it's a fan favorite.

One thing production needs to take into account was the fact that the HG's were planning different strategies for what the comp could be. That should clue them in that they need to change things up more when they have contestants pre-planning for them

I think this whole think with Cirie wanting to go up is because she realizes that she bit off more than she could chew. Rachel Reilly was on a podcast and talked about how Cirie called her before the season and Rachel told her that she won't like BB, but Cirie insisted she needed to do it for Jared.

Think about it, Cirie has been on Survivor 4 times, 39 days per season. BB is 50 days in and there's 50 days to go. She wants to get out before jury so she can just go home

You are probably right about the face morph one unfortunately. I was just hoping it would be one that has not been explained to Jared and Cam. Cam knows a bit more about the show than Jared, but not by much.

The Cirie thing is probably right. I also think she doesn't want to be in that house without him after already losing Izzy. This basically did a reset on the game for her. She is now in the place that everyone else in the house was in at the beginning of the season not knowing who to trust and play the game with. She NEVER had to do that part because she had Izzy and Jared taking complete care of her. What a damn coward. I was never one who thought of her as a Survivor legend by any stretch of the imagination, but for those who do or did feel that way, she just shit on her own legacy here by just flat out quitting.

Of course, we don't know if they will air it for what it is and probably make it look like some BIG plan she had all along, AFTER explaining to her that there will be some sort of special power coming up that could bring Izzy back and give Jared immunity somehow.

So before the veto started, Jared told Blue if Cam wins veto and uses it to take America off the block, he might ask Matt to go up as a pawn to make sure that Cory goes home. If he asks Matt this, he is completely and utterly STUPID. He will lose all the relationships he THINKS he just rebuilt if he does that. Matt wouldn't volunteer the last time Jared was HOH and needed a pawn and Jared tried hard to hint at him for it. He couldn't even actually bring himself to actually ask him, so I don't know how he would ever be able to do it now.

Cirie JUST told him that he will cause mistrust and burn bridges if he chooses Bowie or Jag, but apparently he is too dumb to realize that would obviously include Matt as well. Jared is dumber than dirt.

JAG WON VETO!!!!

Blue almost put her foot in her mouth. Right now she is trying to play the middle of the house between her alliance with Jared/Cirie (with and without Matt) and the other one with Jag/Matt.

Jag has been pushing toward dumping Jared and going with Cory and America to both Matt and Blue, but she says she needs to not burn that bridge with Jared yet and can't target him, etc.

Now after the veto and they were celebrating that Cam would be going. Blue told Matt and Jag that Jared was getting really sketched out right before the veto started and said he didn't think Bowie would be a good replacement if Cam won the veto. Blue said she was really bummed he said that because it would have worked out so well, but she didn't say anything. Jag looked at her and she told him it WAS NOT going to be Jag for sure. Matt then asked if it was him and she stammered and said it wasn't anyone in the 6. Jag then pointed out that if it was outside the 6 it wouldn't matter and would be good. She then backtracked AGAIN and said he mentioned Cirie and that was the only name because they got called for the veto.

They were interrupted at that point and she had some time to think and rejoined them in another room and said it was going to be just Cirie which was kind of weird to all of them. The look on Matt's face tells me that he KNEW that Jared had probably said him, especially when she said he just wanted to be sure that Cory would go if Cam took America down.

Then Jag and Matt talked about Jag winning too much and pretty soon would be a target because of that so they have to talk about what to do in the next HOH. For crying out loud, do these people not learn ANYTHING? You can't just keep throwing shit and HOPE people stick to shit. You have to contribute to the group the best you can or they will ALSO think about throwing you out of the house. Plus if you are never in a position of power to make a move, you have NOTHING to show at the end as to why you should win the game.

Jag and Matt continue to show how bad they are at this game. Being a floater is one thing, but they take it to another level. Floaters don't make deals and such unless they have to. Jags pattern has been to make deals with the HoH of the week and form alliances with them, then acts surpised when the other side gets power and finds out what he's been doing. Matt has only lasted as long as he has because CBS may be protecting him to showcase that people with disabilities can play and more importantly, he's had the protection of Cirie by feeding her all information. Jag needs to pick a side an stick to it.

I'd like to see Cameron pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a way to stay, but I just don't see it. He finished 2nd and apparently he got more cheers from the HG for that finish than when he won HoH and he knows it. Plus we know JAred will have tunnel vision now that he can get rid of him. What Jared doesn't realize is that once Cam is gone, he replaces Cam as target #1 for the entire house outside of Cirie and Blue (Lets face it, Blue talks her shit, but she'd never go after him)

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Plus if you are never in a position of power to make a move, you have NOTHING to show at the end as to why you should win the game.

Dr Will says hello. (sorry but I couldn't resist) Yes, none of them are even close to Dr Will, but also Dr Will could never survive in todays BB with that strategy. Hell could you imagine how different the history of this game would be if social media was prevalent from the beginning? Chilltown would be labeled as problematic and Dr Will would have lost his medical practice. The six finger plan would have been considered cheating and calls for production to step in would be ridiculous. Don't even get me started on the shit that would have been said/done about Evel Dick

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Jag and Matt continue to show how bad they are at this game.  Being a floater is one thing, but they take it to another level.  Floaters don't make deals and such unless they have to.  Jags pattern has been to make deals with the HoH of the week and form alliances with them, then acts surpised when the other side gets power and finds out what he's been doing.  Matt has only lasted as long as he has because  CBS may be protecting him to showcase that people with disabilities can play and more importantly, he's had the protection of Cirie by feeding her all information.  Jag needs to pick a side an stick to it.

I'd like to see Cameron pull a rabbit out of the hat and find a way to stay, but I just don't see it.  He finished 2nd and apparently he got more cheers from the HG for that finish than when he won HoH and he knows it.  Plus we know JAred will have tunnel vision now that he can get rid of him.  What Jared doesn't realize is that once Cam is gone, he replaces Cam as target #1 for the entire house outside of Cirie and Blue (Lets face it, Blue talks her shit, but she'd never go after him)

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Plus if you are never in a position of power to make a move, you have NOTHING to show at the end as to why you should win the game.

Dr Will says hello. (sorry but I couldn't resist)  Yes, none of them are even close to Dr Will, but also Dr Will could never survive in todays BB with that strategy.  Hell could you imagine how different the history of this game would be if social media was prevalent from the beginning?  Chilltown would be labeled as problematic and Dr Will would have lost his medical practice.  The six finger plan would have been considered cheating and calls for production to step in would be ridiculous.  Don't even get me started on the shit that would have been said/done about Evel Dick

I was so pissed off when Matt and Jag started talking about maybe they shouldn't win the next TWO HOH's because they don't want to show their cards. Well guess what, if you don't win something pretty soon, the only cards you will have will be the ones they give you in the jury house to pass the time.

The problem is that they take the early lessons of not winning too much at that time because it targets you and don't realize you pivot as the numbers go down and you NEED to remove enemies from the game instead of just hiding from people. I sure hope that Cory and America can make some inroads with these 2 and teach them about the damn game and quick!

As far as the Dr. Will thing, you KNOW that is a totally separate thing. You forget that he had a hand in every week of the season. He manipulated, lied and even told the TRUTH BLUNTLY when the situation called for it. These two can barely find the bathroom without a fucking map. Jag is way to soft for this stuff and takes the integrity/loyalty thing WAY TO FAR, and Matt STILL can't let go of the Cirie shit.

I really hope Matt finds out somehow that Jared was actually thinking about putting him up on the block. Even Blue knows that will be a point of no return and that is why she almost bit her tongue off when she almost blurted it out with him standing there.

We are pretty sure the HOH will be questions of some sort this week to make it quick. If that is true, the veto will be very physical. They have swapped these out in the past, but they are going to try to make sure that Jared has every chance to stay in this game and mental/puzzle isn't going to be up his alley for sure. We have to hope that Cory or America win HOH, preferable Cory because I think he will be smart enough to put up Jared and Blue because the chances of Cirie winning veto are slim. If he wins and comes down, she goes up and she will more than likely be gone.

I'd like to see them go back to the clown shoe veto that got Jeff eliminated in Season 13. Of course Jared will just beast it because that's a physical comp, but they got away from that type of comp and these double vetos now seem to have a mental aspect to them with puzzles. Jared can't play, and Cirie can't win (And for the most part is packing it in) so I want anyone besides Felicia, Cory or America because none of them will have any clue what to do with it and it will make the double even more chaotic than it already is.

Yes, my point with the Dr Will thing is that it wouldn't work in todays game. He was a master at it and even got far doing similar things in All Stars. That's one of the things that makes him a legend. Not only could he recognize things happening in the house, he could actually manipulate to do something about it. Take a look at Donny back in season 16. Yes, he was fun to watch and just made everyone smile. He knew exactly what Derrick was doing the entire time, but there was nothing he did to stop it. Being able to manipulate people is a key skill to have in any of these reality shows

Well now that Cam didn't win the veto, Cirie is all in to play the game again. She is in the HOH room taking a bath and weirdly Jared is in there talking to her. I'm not saying he shouldn't be in there with his mom, but other than Blue nobody else knows that is his mom, so they SHOULD think it is weird, but these people never notice anything.

Now just like always, Cirie's first answer when a veto comp is done and it has been determined how it will be used, it is time to start locking in new alliances. Her idea now is that Jared and her lock something in with Bowie because she is a number for them (and of course she seems to be completely loyal to Cirie which makes her invaluable). They wondered about Felicia and Meme, but Jared dismissed them because they will "never win anything" so they don't have to worry about anything but votes.

Throwing people away after you have been working with them can bite you in the ass later. Cirie and Jared said that Meme was still 100% about the brown sugar babes so they are fine. But Meme has been fishing for more information here and there. They don't know the double is coming up, but if they just throw Meme and Felicia away, especially now that Felicia knows about their votes last week could show them their numbers are gone and they have nobody to blame but themselves. You don't need every person in the house to be good with you and your bestie, just key players, keep good relationships with others on a personal level and then you have something to campaign with.

The only time you should "throw them away" is when you are taking a shot at evicting them. If it misses, you deal with it, but other than that it makes no sense to be done with them. I'd call Bowie a classic floater, but there's nothing classic about her. Throwing HoH and not wanting to make decisions is all I need to know and it's sad that she's going to make jury.

Meme is a different story and is playing completely under the radar. She is hardly ever even on the feeds. She's actually in a very good position similar to Kaycee from season 20 and now would be the time to start winning comps. But I don't think Meme has it in her and she's just in the house looking for a paid vacation

Funny thing with Bowie is that she keeps asking Cirie if they could get a group of herself, Cirie and Matt, nothing about Jared, so I wonder how she is going to react to Cirie and Jared trying to form something with her? Not that it matters because right now if Cirie said shit, Bowie would squat and ask how much she needed. She is very physically capable, we saw that on the wall, she was SOLID and actually jumped off just in time to KEEP from winning and all her comments are always about who she can help win this or that.

I agree that Meme is under the radar right where she wants to be. She kind of blends into the wallpaper and listens and watches. She doesn't care about any of the drama or nonsense. I think she felt good with the BSB final 4 alliance until things started coming to light last week and the votes really told the story. I mean if you have a final 4 that you are serious about and one of the people on the block in in that alliance and the other is not, you keep your alliance member. They weren't even TALKING to her about. Sure they were freaking out about Felicia's loose lips, but that is not on Meme, so why not include her in the decision making and talks? She had to find out what was going on by everyone she is NOT aligned with and was smart enough to tell everyone not to tell Felicia ahead of time, she would handle that after but Jared ended up blowing that shit up too.

Meme is very smart and looks at things in black and white. You take out the biggest game threat unless you are SOLIDLY aligned with that person when determining how to vote, just that simple. Of course it has put her in a precarious situation being looked at as being on a island, but she has been slowly spreading her wings a bit talking to Cory, Matt and America a bit more and more all the time. She plays a lot of chess to watch things happening. She actually gets a lot of information from Felicia because she can't keep her groups straight and will say things without thinking. Felicia asked Jared how they were going to protect Meme today and he basically told her Meme is in a bad spot in the game. Dumb thing to tell someone who has loose lips!

I give Cam credit, he's not going to go down easily and will pitch whatever he needs to. His latest pitch is financial sympathy that he needs to make jury. While that is always a piss poor excuse, it's better than doing nothing.

If he hasn't already, he needs to go to Jag and pitch to him not to use veto. Remind him of that Cam held up his end of the deal last week by not putting up Jag, and if Jag uses this veto, he's indirectly putting Cam up because everyone knows he's the replacement. The way to finish that convo is something like, "I know technically it's still Jared putting me up, but you would hold some of the responsibility for it. Buy hey, do what your conscience tells you to do

Cam had already told Jared about needing to make jury for financial reasons before noms were even done. He told Jared he would never had taken that shot at Izzy if he had known jury was going to be 7 instead of 9.

His pitch to Matt was that he would always protect him and Matt might think others will too because he follows them and votes with them and such, but it is a great path to 6th place, not first place. Matt just told him to go have a heart to heart with Jared and left it there.

The thing is his pitches do always make sense, but he has never stayed solid with anyone enough for people to want to take the chance with him on anything. I have pieced together that the reason the Reilly debacle happened was because Cam apparently tried to play double agent to bring information back, but ended up revealing information instead and fucking everything up. Then when he tried to fix his own game, it fucked up the rest of the group. Add to that the "public information" was that he betrayed Red even though it was Jared who embellished and blew that shit up, so people think he shit on his own partner there too. You have to have those previous relationships to build on instead of only talking to people when you are out of options.

I get all of that. I still think his best pitch to to Jag and try to bring the deal from last week into it. If he can get Jag to start feeling guilty and tell him that using it would be going back on their deal, Jag just might buy it because I think he would want to be true to his word. Obviously he's true to his word anyhow, but try to spin their deal to Cam's advantage and he just might buy it

I don't think this spin with fly even with Jag and the reason for that is the deal was about Jag being HOH and being the one to put up noms and name the replacement. I guess if you get technical, you could try to spin that, but there was also a predicate that this deal would not be shared with ANYONE in the house and Cam blew that up last week. Jared told Jag in the one-on-ones that Cam told him about their deal so there is his out. Jag also knows that Cam told Jared he would throw Jag up there if he used the veto to try to get him to use it, so that blew up their deal too. There is enough here for Jag to be okay with his conscience in this situation, but like you said it would be worth a try.