Jag invisible HoH

Now watch him fuck this up. It's an invisible HoH so this is the time he should be taking a shot at America and Cory. Put them both up and one of them goes home. But that's not what he's planning at the moment, he's planning as if it was common knowledge that he's HoH and will be doing Cirie/Felicia with a Blue backdoor.

I think I saw somewhere that Cirie is already aware of him being HoH and I think it's just a matter of time before the entire house is aware of the fact that it's him

Yeah, go ahead and tell Cory and America you have it, that'll keep the secret! This guy has no clue how to play this game. This is where Matt should just agree with everything he says, and then cut him first chance he gets

Look Ctown, I know you really don't like Jag and the fact that he was "evicted" and saved at the same time means he is not worthy of getting to the end of the game, but let's put that part aside for a minute.

He had to tell Matt. If he keeps that a secret from him and it eventually is revealed (the noms would be a HUGE indicator of who it is for sure), then Matt is done with him. So let's look at his options.

If he keeps it completely secret from everyone but Matt (he is the only one that knows for now from what I have seen) and takes a shot at Cory and America. What happens if Cory wins veto? This will result in him using this secret HOH on America, Felicia or Cirie. If he puts up Blue, then they know 100% it was him and he will have taken this shot at Cory and America for nothing. Now the other people he was working with no longer trust him like they do now and he is public enemy #1 with Matt right by his side.

If he takes a shot at Blue, then Cory and America will absolutely KNOW it is him or Matt who won and they will be wondering why the hell the didn't tell them if they are supposedly aligned with each other. Blue will suspect it is Cory or America who put her up, but if she wins veto and the replacement is not Matt or Jag, then she knows it is them and there goes that as well.

I think he should tell Bowie and Cirie (those are supposedly his SOLID alliance) and then decide who to take the shot at. If his shot is going to be Blue, he should tell Cory and America and tell them they have to GUN HARD for this veto to keep her on the block instead of trying a backdoor thing. This puts everyone on the same page. Then put up Blue and Felicia and hope she doesn't get off the block. If she does, then you consider taking out Cory on the backdoor option.

Too many moving parts and that's overthinking it. It's very simple, you put up Cory and America, those are the two targets. Do NOT tell anyone besides Matt that you are the invisible HoH and make sure he doesn't tell anyone. Blue is your scapegoat, so she is not even a replacement nom should Cory or America win veto. If one of them win, put up Bowie Jane or even Cirie with the thought that nobody will vote Cirie out. One of Cory/America are still on the block and goes home. Mission accomplished.

Now what I really want to see is Jag overthink it even more and hide the HoH from everyone by putting Matt up as "the ultimate pawn" because nobody would think that Jag or Matt would do that to each other, and tehn sit there and watch as Cory/America rally the votes to send Matt out the door.

Now us, as viewers, can keep in mind that the veto will have Power of Multiplicity, which I'm pretty sure will be something stupid like an extra veto or something, but they do not know that at this point so it should have no effect on decisions until that power is revealed

Well that didn't take long.  Cory, America and Bowie have all been told by Jag.  Fucking idiot

As expected, Felicia and Blue are nominated. So now what? Watch this idiot go and win veto and then try explaining to Blue why he can't use it (Matt would go up would be his excuse) and basically telling her he chooses Matt over her. That would basically guarantee she would not vote for him in final 2.

ctown28 wrote:

Too many moving parts and that's overthinking it.  It's very simple, you put up Cory and America, those are the two targets.  Do NOT tell anyone besides Matt that you are the invisible HoH and make sure he doesn't tell anyone.  Blue is your scapegoat, so she is not even a replacement nom should Cory or America win veto.  If one of them win, put up Bowie Jane or even Cirie with the thought that nobody will vote Cirie out.  One of Cory/America are still on the block and goes home.  Mission accomplished.

Now what I really want to see is Jag overthink it even more and hide the HoH from everyone by putting Matt up as "the ultimate pawn" because nobody would think that Jag or Matt would do that to each other, and tehn sit there and watch as Cory/America rally the votes to send Matt out the door.

Now us, as viewers, can keep in mind that the veto will have Power of Multiplicity, which I'm pretty sure will be something stupid like an extra veto or something, but they do not know that at this point so it should have no effect on decisions until that power is revealed

I agree he overthinks, but that is his way of getting through all of it, for better or worse. But you are missing the point here. Cory and America are not his targets. His target is Blue plain and simple. All he was trying to figure out was whether to disguise that shot or just go for it and ultimately he decided to just put her up and hope they can beat her in the veto.

If you look at the comp history, Blue has been much more consistent in coming close to winning than Cory and America, even in comps that SHOULD have favored both of them. Cory and America are also much more predictable. Cory is a very safe route kind of player until he is completely backed into a corner, like with Jared, but he STILL took the entire week to set it all up with everyone in the house.

Blue on the other hand is unpredictable and talks a big game, but as of yet hasn't had the power to show what she will ACTUALLY do. And it is no secret that Jared brought Cirie and Blue very close together, so she is kind of part of a duo of sorts. And add to the fact if Cory leaves, America will more than likely go right to Blue UNLESS Blue is the reason Cory leaves and I still think it would happen soon thereafter.

Taking out Blue who has the ability to get close to people, has Cirie on a bit of a chain, can pull in America and also has relationship with Felicia and separately Matt and Jag.

Now telling people about the HOH I think was necessary because the noms would show who it was. Even if he took that shot at Cory and America like you suggested, if Cory wins veto then you are stuck with either sending out America to try to weaken Cory a bit or throwing Blue up there and suddenly EVERYONE knows you were the HOH anyway.

And Jag did think about putting up Bowie, but she made the point that there are enough people in the house that they shouldn't have to put people up from their own group. That would have damaged that bridge as well.

Putting up Matt would have been the stupidest move ever. That is his #1 and there is NO REASON to chance losing him.

ctown28 wrote:

As expected, Felicia and Blue are nominated.  So now what?  Watch this idiot go and win veto and then try explaining to Blue why he can't use it (Matt would go up would be his excuse) and basically telling her he chooses Matt over her.  That would basically guarantee she would not vote for him in final 2.

Yes that would be a viable excuse for Matt or Jag for not pulling her off the block. It also points to Cory or America for the HOH yet again at least for a few days. If she refuses to vote for Jag simply because he made a game move like this and wouldn't sacrifice Matt for her, then she is going to vote stupid anyway. She wouldn't have chosen ANYONE over Jared when he was in the house, so she can't expect Jag or Matt to throw away their game for her. And when they do the goodbye messages, it is very simple, you were starting to say our names for targets and also entertaining an all girls alliance as well so they had to cut her. Hell even through in there that she was a HUGE threat to beat them in some of the upcoming comps and it is all okay at that point.

Now if Blue wins veto, they could flip the script and put up Cory, tell Blue it was all to take out Cory and keep people calm as well as make sure she GUNNED for the HOH. Who cares if she believes it or not. It leaves Blue with America and the mommas, but those 4 against Matt, Jag and Bowie have VERY GOOD odds.

There is one thing that Jag SHOULD have clarified with production when he won the HOH, and that is how the veto draw was going to be handled. Before the noms he had no idea if they would have a draw at all, and what would be done if people get hg's choice and choose him to play? Will the draw be in secret?

They probably wouldn't tell him the details of the "double vision" or "multiplicity" that Julie spoke of, but he needed to know what would happen if his chip was drawn. Maybe they wouldn't have told him anything, but I know you told me once that Evel Dick said as a hg you have to at lease ASK the question. Most of the time you won't get a complete answer, but there are times that information is given IF they actually ASK the right questions.

Blue being his target is just stupid. Plain and simple. We are at the point of the gme that you need to get rid of your shields and play the game instead of hiding. You need to ask yourself "Who that is left in this house will be most likely to put me up?" Well for Jag, Blue is at the bottom of that list. Cory and America are at the top of that list.

Again, you tell nobody except Matt you have the HoH, you put up Cory and America, if one of them comes down with veto, you put up Bowie. She doesn't know you are the HoH so there is no trust being broken there. If you have to, you could pin the whole thing on Blue as it's no secret to anyone that she has Cory/America at the top of her list. You have a golden opportunity here with the stupid invisible twist and he took zero advantage of it. Felicia was 100% right when she said that putting up her and Blue completely wastes that power.

I disagree about the target. Cory is a safe player and doesn't take big swings. Up until the BB comics and the pressure cooker, America has not even come close to meeting expectations in comps and actually neither has Cory. Blue has been right at the top of vetoes and HOH's, just hasn't crossed over. She has Cirie on her side and the 2 of them can easily sway Felicia when it comes to votes and things of that nature. So that is basically a trio of people. Plus she can pick up America if they are successful in taking out Cory at this point.

If he had put up America and Cory, Blue could have been blamed but America would have talked to Blue for 10 minutes and figured out it wasn't her 100%, so that trust is gone at that point. Then if neither of them get off the block and you send Cory home, you just gave Blue a solid ally in America, she already has one in Cirie and Felicia would easily be brought to this all girls thing. How long before Bowie is the gone too?

Then what if Cory gets off the block, and you put up Blue, Felicia will be the one to go home in that case because they will want Cory to help them take out Matt and Jag.

The way he played it, the only way he gets screwed is if Blue and Felicia win vetoes and come off the block. At that point, he has choices, on which path to follow.

You're overthinking it the same way Jag is. Did it occur to you that Cory has not come close to winning comps because he's throwing them? Has it occurred to anyone that now that they got rid of CAm, Jag is the resident "comp beast"?

Jag has been playing the safe road the entire game, now that he has this golden opportunity to do something, he waffles on it. And stop naming Blue as a replacement nom, she should not be a part of the plan. Bowie is the replacement nom and if she ends up going home, call it collateral damage and still continue to try and pin it on Blue. There is plausible deniability for Jag to say he is not the HoH, well at least there was before he decided to tell everyone except Blue and Felicia.

If he insists on going the route he is, there is not anyone left that can take the shot at Cory and America since he's too much of a pussy to do it himself then him and Matt need to form a solid final 4 with Cory and America and say get there, and then the 4 of us battle it out.

Jag has Bowie solidly in his corner the same as Matt. Why the hell would he want to throw that away as well? She isn't even trying to actually win, just want to stay out of jury as long as possible, but help "her team" get further in the game. She is the perfect third person to a final 3.

Blue was actively targeting Cory, then all of the sudden STOPPED talking about going after him completely. At that same time America and Blue were hanging out together much more than they had been. Blue was also cozying up to Cam. She was ready to throw the HOH this week to force Matt and Jag to take out Cory so she could then take out either Matt or Jag. These are direct threats to him.

Yes, Cory COULD be throwing the HOH's but look at last week when Felicia and Bowie were tied with him, are you telling he he ACTUALLY threw that last question when Felicia could have easily been HOH? No, he doesn't have the guts it takes to go out on a limb like that one. That was a situation where he REALLY needed it and choked. I just don't think he is as good as he THINKS he is or as good as he SHOULD be with all those facts and figures in his head.

It is now confirmed that Matt and Jag did NOT tell Cirie previously that Jag was the HOH. They plan to tell her now and make sure that Jag tells Cirie that he swore Matt to secrecy. Their cover about Cory and America "knowing" he was HOH is because they knew it wasn't them and it narrowed it down pretty easily. Bowie is going to pretend not to know until they reveal it to Cirie and then Bowie.

Jag is also going to tell Blue before tonight or tomorrow that he is the HOH and he put her up as his target. Basically coming clean. He will explain that Blue was all about taking out Cory until last week and then suddenly completely stopped talking about going after Cory. She also started hanging out with America a bunch again and America was telling them things that Blue was saying that Matt and Jag were going to win the game, etc. On top of that, the information Cam was giving them made them believe she was really coming for them and trying to team up with Cory and America to move forward.

Jag is also going to tell Blue that her winning the veto is not the reason they had a change of heart, it was some of the things that Blue said yesterday when she was basically campaigning a bit early. She mentioned some things that America had told her that Matt and Jag KNEW had to come from her, etc. Whether she believes it or not doesn't really matter, they are just going to attempt to patch it up a bit. Then Jag is going to put up Cory and send him to jury and if that puts America and Blue coming for them, so be it. Not much else they can do at this point according to them. The thought for a hot minute about trying to say this was the plan all along, to backdoor Cory, but they thought she would see right through it. This story is actually pretty much true, so it has a better chance of working.

Personally if I were Jag, I would tell Cory and America that I have no choice but to put up Cory at this point. He did his best to work for the 4 of them. He won the HOH and told them right away. He discussed the noms with the 2 of them beforehand to show trust. He won one of the vetoes, but now it is time for him to save his own game and if he doesn't take a shot at Cory he blows his own spot up. Just tell them at some point, they need to help things along, he (Jag) can't do it all himself and take all the risk to keep them safe and hide things from everyone to put himself deeper into a hole.

He can also point out that after the veto even TODAY America apparently said to Blue "look at how Jag killed himself up there today, that should tell you everything you need to know." That shows that America was covering her own ass and throwing Jag under the bus the second she had a chance, so now he is going to come clean to Blue about her being the target and putting Cory up. Getting the votes is up to him.

Well America and Cory talked themselves right onto the block after all. Apparently during the comp they REALLY comfortable and something about holding hands and acting like they didn't have a care in the world while others were killing themselves in the physical comp and not really caring about the other "luck" comp. Then a little while ago, Cory came to talk to Jag and he was a bit smug in talking about how people are reacting and things like that.

Now Jag has decided that they are going to use both vetoes. Blue will take herself down, Jag will put up Cory. Then Jag will take Felicia off and put up America. Obviously most of this is motivated by Blue winning the veto, but he and Matt have also got some weird vibes from Cory and America the last couple of days since he won the HOH, like those random comments to Blue and things like that instead of helping keep up the pretenses of the HOH could be either Cory or Jag. Add to that doing poorly AGAIN in the comps putting all the responsibility on Jag's shoulders clinched it.

I honestly believe if he had put them up in the beginning, they would have won at least one of the vetoes and possibly both because of the motivating factor to save the 2 of them. So basically Jag was screwed regardless of which way he went.

Another wrinkle of the comp is Cirie has to do something in her superhero costume any time BB calls her out, even through the night apparently, so she must have been next to last in the comp.

Another thing I would do If I were Jag and that is have a conversation with Felicia before using the veto on her about how she reacts to things and goes off the handle before she even has all the information.  Tell her she almost turned a backdoor situation into a straight up target on her because of the things she was running around spouting off about.  Warn her that the comments about wanting all the men in the house evicted to ensure a woman wins also makes it hard to keep saving her because she obviously doesn't appreciate it.  He doesn't need to warn her not to come after, go ahead and play the game, but don't jump on his back at the first sign EVERY SINGLE TIME and maybe give him the benefit of the doubt once in a while.

And MOST IMPORTANTLY, get a promise from her if she wins HOH next week she will not put Matt or Jag on the block as noms or replacements. That is NOT too much to ask for taking her ass off the block 2 weeks in a row, especially considering all the negative shit she was spouting this week without even knowing for sure what was going on. Yes, she could always break her promise, but I don't see her doing that if she straight up gives her word.

ok, you need to make up your mind, do they just suck at comps or are they not motivated enough. Previously the claim was that Cory choked on the HoH comp and Felicia very easily could have won it, and that it showed that he is just not very good at the comps. Noe here the claim is the motivation of having to win. It can't be both ways.

This is also not new behavior for the two of them. They've been way too comfortable basically the entire season with the exception of the week that Jared put the two of them up. You see it, I see, all of social media sees it, hell, Stevie Wonder can see it, but now suddenly one comp of them not trying hard enough is what opened Jags eyes to it?

I think it is a bit of both, they suck at anything physical and seem to choke when it comes to mental. But you seem to be forgetting in those HOH's there was a fallback as far as a target or a way out with the chances of both of them being on the block on Thursday is much less. If they were both on the block this week from Jag's HOH, they would both be fighting for their life and that is a very different motivation than just worrying about a very impressionable Felicia as an HOH targeting Cory. So yes, it is a bit of both ways.

I also agree that it is not new behavior for the 2 of them and it has been noticed before. But, this was blatant when Jag is out there killing himself to try to take Blue out for ALL of them. That makes it very different. Plus it is about the timing of the behavior as well added to those well placed comments by America. America mentioned a couple of those comments to Cory last night and he told her to stop with any kind of comments like that until the veto replacement was done because it could get back to Jag. Well guess what, it already has and pushed him over the top to put them both up and bite the bullet.