Big Brother 25 winner will be....

Either Matt or Jag.






What has BB loved doing more than manipulating the game for their twist/stunt casting?

Having firsts!

Season 23 was the first African American to win the game
Season 24 didn't stop there, not only did we get the first female African American winner, we got the first winner to be AFP

So it stands to reason that they want season 25 winner to be Matt (first disabled winner) or Jag (first Muslim winner)

It even makes sense, looks back to when Matt had the power of invincibility power, him and Jag hardly talked much and Jag didn't even know Matt was going to save him until after the fact.  At the time I was a bit confused as to why Matt would use it just then when he had another full week ahead to which he could use it.  It would have made perfect sense to save it in case he needed it for himself.  So did Cirie really talk MAtt into using it, or was it all production manipulation to have a dream final 2 of Matt/Jag?

Well at least it would be two players who are TRYING to play the game. Neither of them really know the game very well at all, so they have been limping their way through, making horrible mistakes along the way, but like I said, they have stuck together with the exception of a couple of bumps in the road when Matt thought Jag was playing him.

I think the power week was difficult for Matt because he really wasn't sure WHAT to do. He told Cirie because he trusts her (per Reilly's instructions) and that was during a time he was questioning Jag a little bit. I think he avoided talking to Jag because he is a horrible liar and didn't want Jag to know about the power until he decided what to do with it. He spent time with Cirie trying to figure out the vote because he was only going to use it if Jag didn't have the votes.

I thought he could tell production he wanted to use it on Jag, but if Blue was the one evicted he would retain that power, but they had a discussion about it a couple of weeks ago that he actually would have forfeited the power if he used it on someone who was NOT actually evicted. He wanted to save Jag the whole time, but couldn't get a handle on the votes and even stopped campaigning to help Jag at the time.

I can buy your conspiracy theory about Matt and Jag being a "theme final 2" which seems to be the narrative BB wants to sell since the cookout, but if that is the case, it is only a recent thing because they sure weren't helping Jag much early in the game when the hope was a Cirie/Jared final.

Truth be told, I think they are also looking at Cirie and Felicia being a final 2 because they are the "old ladies in the house" and they are POC's, so it would be a win-win for them. And we may laugh or groan about that right now, but they do seem to know their facts from the game and I am not sure that others in the house know that stuff as well. All it takes is a couple of well placed mental comps with no physical aspect at all and they are sitting pretty.

They definitely help both of the old ladies. Just look at last nights comp. They were barely banging into that robot hand and as soon as they were both down, the rotation sped up. That's not coincidence.

I'm not completely sold they ever wanted a Cirie/JAred final and that may have been a smoke screen. Of course they would sell that as the first mother/son final 2 if it came to be and completely ignore the fact there has never been a mother son duo, jsut like their has never been any parent/child duo since Dick and Danielle

ctown28 wrote:

They definitely help both of the old ladies.  Just look at last nights comp.  They were barely banging into that robot hand and as soon as they were both down, the rotation sped up.  That's not coincidence.

I'm not completely sold they ever wanted a Cirie/JAred final and that may have been a smoke screen.  Of course they would sell that as the first mother/son final 2 if it came to be and completely ignore the fact there has never been a mother son duo, jsut like their has never been any parent/child duo since Dick and Danielle

My husband said the same exact thing about the speed changing almost immediately after Cirie fell off.

I disagree with you about not looking for the Cirie/Jared final. They gave them a ready made 4 person alliance. Izzy and Cory are Survivor superfans and most importantly Cirie superfans. Both of them think she is a legend and Cory apparently believes she should have won 2 of the seasons she was on. There are 2 people who would immediately support Cirie. Jared being her son and Izzy knowing that brought it all together. Right there you have superfans who know the game, a physical threat and a couple of mental threats. They SHOULD have had all their bases covered, they just got greedy and stupid about things.

Oh and BTW, remember when you talked about Cory almost HAS to know about Cirie/Jared? Well last week he was talking to Cirie about Survivor and he said it was weird talking with Cirie early in the game in the house because when she referred to her husband (Honey) he knew EXACTLY who that was having seen him before on Survivor when she was there. Then he said "wasn't one of your kids on there during a family visit once?" She said yes and changed the subject quickly, but he seemed to be kind of deep in thought about it. Then a couple of days later he said something about a Survivor family visit again and then started talking about her being on Traitors again (I think to America, but not sure). I wonder if a lightbulb has come on for him all of the sudden?