Leah

I really don't know what to think about his girl. At first I thought she was just going to be someone who went around and tried to find a guy to carry her to the end of the game and really have nothing else to her. But the more I watch her the most I think she is smarter than she appears.

She reads people well, especially men. She is a server in what is apparently a "very high end hotel" and talks about having to schmooze a little old lady or a man, then move over to the rich, young single guy who thinks the world loves him just because he exists, to regular business women and men.

It seems like she sets her sites on a particular person to go and get to know on a personal level. And it is not just flirting and things like that, it is talking about things she knows the other person is into. For instance probably the last week to 10 days, she has been seeking out Joe. She talks to him about movies. She laughs at his jokes, talks about how his humor is similar to her, etc. This has made Joe another person who has become protective of her. Quinn is in love with her and follows her everything (something she really doesn't like at this point). Cam was the first one she pulled into her web, but when he seemed to doubt her word over other people, they kind of hit a rough patch. He is still very protective of her and follows her around and they are friends, but not like it was before.

The girls don't really like her other than MJ. Chelsie HATES her because Chelsie doesn't want her intruding on the guys in her own group and pulling away their focus. She also seemed to be trying to reach out to Cedric the last couple of days and Chelsie was LIVID about it. She has tried over and over to get a group of girls together and thinks they have kind of an understanding, but knows it is pretty flimsy as well.

She just seems to be able to penetrate people's walls and they don't see it coming. She also had Kenney 100% on her side. She hasn't really been able to successfully pull Tucker to her, but I think she is biding her time for that situation to present itself, especially if Rubina gets axed this week (not likely).

I wonder what SHE would do with an HOH? At one point she would have chosen Angela, but her and Angela talk almost daily and she pumps Angela up and stuff. Angela said Leah is like bright sunshine, etc. She has to know that Chelsie can't stand her because of the eye rolls and her "not so subtle" reactions to her all the time. I could see her actually putting up Quinn and Chelsie if given some good information and backing. Or possibly Brooklyn as well because she dismisses her on a regular basis too.

She also seems to have a grasp on the game, but just a very unique way of playing the game. She almost has a day planner to where she makes her rounds to various people to "check in" and they don't even see it happening. Meanwhile that can turn into a lot of votes and not so many nominations.

Once again, I am thinking about how Leah just keeps herself right in the middle of the house with just the right people in the right places to keep her safe somehow. I thought she was just a girl moving from guy to guy with her charms to have all these protectors, but she is actually much better than that. Her VIP host/cocktail server job really has taught her how to read (and work) people and if she could win a comp or two moving forward, she could be VERY dangerous. She also has a knack of confronting problems head on and somehow always comes out on top there as well.

She called Quinn out for invading her space and saying things she didn't like (not sure of all of it), but she basically told him she would be cordial, but there is NOTHING more to them. And if he continued doing SOMETHING she wouldn't even be friends with him.

She had a similar kind of thing with Cam where she called him out for not believing her when she answered some questions or something and they basically debated it for 30 or more minutes one night and when it was over, he was the one apologizing and still kind of follows her around a bit.

She now is very good friends with Joseph and actually seems to enjoy his company. I think she also knows that Joseph is connected to a few people and will protect her if he can (and he has done that). Some people are even looking at them as a duo in the game at this point.

She apparently overheard Chelsie doing one of her stupid "podcast" type things she does every day (she does talk loudly with her present microphone, etc., kind of like she does in the DR). Chelsie was apparently saying some pretty offensive things about Leah and she talked to a couple other people about it to see if she has said anything in front of them. Not sure what people said, but she also informed some people that she was very nice to Chelsie and now she finds out that her AND Brooklyn have been saying nasty things.

So, what did Leah do? First they were in a room together and Chelsie did one of her "joking" jabs at Leah. Leah turned around and said "if you don't like me, you can just say it." Not sure what happened after that. Then a couple of days ago Leah approached her one-on-one starting out by complaining about Cam, but then basically telling Chelsie that she reads body language a lot and knows when people are uncomfortable or whatever. She gets this from her job. Chelsie said she does that in her job as well. So they were kind of doing this cat and mouse thing with each sizing up the other, but I think Leah did a better job. Chelsie said something about the house being a pressure cooker and being human so people have to vent, etc.

Leah also spends a lot of time "checking in" with people throughout the day, especially Angela. She really shines that apple, kind of like Dan always did with Jerry. She makes it a point to say that everyone deserves kindness and thoughtfulness, but some people just throw it away.

She is also VERY close to Tucker. She downloads A LOT of information to him on a daily basis. I think we need to watch this one to suddenly surprise us at some point.

Leah is playing a classic floater game. The way a floater game should be played. She really has no allegiance to anyone but isn't really on anyone's radar. The only other person that doesn't have an allegiance is MJ, but the difference between the two is Leah knows when to keep her mouth shut.

You are100% correct that if she starts winning, she can be dangerous, and we saw her come close to a couple wins early in the season so I think she has it in her.

There is another difference to her floater game though, and that is the way she is NOT afraid to confront ANYONE at any time if she feels the need. Just like right now (it's after the veto), she was sitting outside talking about things being blown up and that she really likes that about Tucker, he just puts all the truth out there and everyone can deal with it or walk away or whatever. She was sitting with Angela, Kimo, T'kor, Rubina and Chelsie who joined the group suddenly (was going to start campaigning). Chelsie spoke up and said that not ALL of what Tucker said was true and Leah said she didn't care about how many final 2's and all that. Chelsie said she wasn't talking about that. I think Leah was going to ask her to clarify, but then MJ came out to get Rubina to talk and she was distracted. But Leah continued to "hold court" and say you don't have to tell lies on lies on lies the way some people do in this game. Sur you have your groups and strategy, it's big brother, but lying just to lie about someone is what she objects to and I really think that was directed at Chelsie for sure. A floater doesn't normally go there, but she does and it doesn't matter if someone is on the block or in power or whatever, she will do it if she feels it is right.

Well I think it remains to be seen if she will say something like that to an incumbent HoH, I don't recall her ever saying something like that previously but she is 100% right. What will be interesting is if she doubles down and these statements once someone else is in power

ctown28 wrote:

Well I think it remains to be seen if she will say something like that to an incumbent HoH, I don't recall her ever saying something like that previously but she is 100% right.  What will be interesting is if she doubles down and these statements once someone else is in power

I actually don't think she will walk away from it, but maybe just say something like "I think I know where I stand with you and if you want to work on it, I'm open, otherwise, I will just have to do what I can" or something like that.

Leah made a comment today that I thought put the nail on the head. It is something everyone going into the BB house should think about every week.

Leah to MJ: I feel so stupid because we voted out people who would have had our back, but I didn't know there was this giant alliance in here working against us.

Yep, this is why your vote should be your own. Whether I was part of a big alliance or not in the early days, I would bring it up in general chit chat that everyone should vote for themselves because what is good for one person is not good for another. Of course if you are working with someone and they just kept you safe that's different, but it is still YOUR choice. Someone, preferably the first HOH needs to set that tone and the game would be better for it.

This vote with the house mentality started back in season 12. Dani tried to put a stop to it in season 13 after Dick had to leave but it never took. Now if you don't vote with the house it apparently makes you a target. The only way this can be fixed is to stop giving them the vote total, just who is evicted and leave it at that. It would not change the game in any way other than the vote would be a true a secret and there would be no more hinky votes. In fact complete secret could feed into more paranoia and speculation. I know if I was in there, I'd use it as a strategy "You know that asshole voted to send you home, don't you". There would be no way to confirm or deny it because you don't have any vote numbers

I don't like the secret total, I see it as part of the game. I really just takes a few hg's with some backbone to introduce this thought process at the beginning of the season. Think how boring the season with Fessy and JC would have been without vote totals. This was part of what drove Fessy crazy and allowed JC to play him week after week.

There is no easy answer to this one. The biggest problem is having the big alliance to start the game and I'm not sure how that can be stopped because that is the strategy of everyone when they come into the house.

Leah took to her bed today, didn't even bother to get dressed for the veto meeting. People checked on her here and there, but she wasn't interested in any of them. She spoke briefly to Quinn and he did say he tried to tell her, but she spent most of their conversation time bitching and complaining about how SHE was being affected by this rather than Quinn, who is supposed to be her closest ally and has 1 foot out the door. She spoke with MJ briefly and MJ hoped she would respect the move and didn't take it personal. She then told MJ that her and MJ are both on the bottom of Chelsie's list and are not priories to anyone else in the house. So now all of the sudden her and MJ are a "we" instead of her throwing MJ out as red meat for a nomination or a threat here and there?

When she finally got out of bed this afternoon, Angela went to talk to her and she said she is pissed because SHE is being blamed for starting an alliance when she didn't even do anything. Angela assure her that SHE never threw Leah under the bus or said she started it (but she actually did and tried to make it sound like Leah just got swept up in it or something). So Angela being Angela then went around to various hg's to tell them she never meant to insinuate Leah did ANYTHING wrong, etc.

This is what Leah does best, she calls "her people out" in a way that makes them WANT to do better for her (she did it to Joseph and Quinn and used it against each of them to her advantage all the time), so this was the foundation for making sure that Angela falls in line in the correct spot which is Leah's back pocket.

I look for Leah to try to be open to some plan to try to save Quinn, but I don't see her actively participating in it unless or until it seems to be an actual possibility. Cam, MJ and Chelsie are under the false impression that Leah will gravitate to them, but I'm not so sure about that. I think she will bide her time and try to stay friendly with both sides, working a bit more on the Tkor and all girls angle. Then behind the scenes she will start her flirting with Cam again and we will see how he responds (or doesn't) to that. Then she will make a move depending on who wins HOH next week. Plus I don't think she will even TRY to win HOH to diminish her threat level and so she doesn't have to make any of the decisions only to get sent home the following week.

Leah and MJ finally had their talk. MJ ran through the things she had heard or been told second hand about things Leah has said and done to the detriment of MJ's game, etc. MJ doesn't recite the information very well and gets distracted on things and forget important context. Leah did a good job of dismantling much of the information, but there were some things that she dismissed as not having happened that MJ was aware of personally like the things Leah has been saying recently about the 2 of them with Matt and that she was the one who was closer in the game with Matt, etc.

When they got to some of the other information, MJ began to just listen and say I know, I know. But when Leah was denying specifics and then said that she would love to hear ANYONE stand in front of her that she supposedly said. That is when MJ suggested they have Chelsie come into the room to hash some of it out and let MJ be there with the 2 of them so she can get to the bottom of where some of this came from, etc. She said they might still be able to send Angela home if she can work it out with Chelsie. Leah wanted NO PART of having MJ present when she talks to anyone about things they are attributing to herself. Gee, I wonder why?

Should this talk have happened before the veto meeting, probably, but I think MJ was sure that Leah would talk her out of it. MJ even shared with Leah that she felt like she had no choice because EVERYONE in the house but maybe Angela had things to say about her planting seeds and throwing MJ under the bus about being the biggest threat, etc.

Leah also said she is going to the jury house and she has 2 votes because Quinn will do whatever she tells him to and hell hath no fury..... That could be reason for MJ wanting to give Leah the platform to clear things up, but others would be mortified if she tried to do this.

Leah did finally agree to talk with Chelsie with MJ in the room. They went through all the mistrust and things going around as it pertained to the 2 of them and things that have been heard and relayed to MJ. MJ was quiet for most of the talk, just being a fly on the wall. She did interject a couple of times mentioning things that she wanted clarified between the 2 of them.

Leah did a good job justifying and explaining certain things, but when Chelsie took her turn, Leah got a bit tongue tied at times and it was obvious she was lying and/or trying to make it sound a bit better. Leah also put Chelsie on her back foot a few times as well, but she recovered a bit better. It came down to the fact that neither was being 100% honest, but neither of them OWNED some of their own behavior either. They went way back in history and such.

They never really cleared up the Cam/MJ showmance situation other than Leah saying she thought it was just a joke between them.

They ultimately said they would not hold things personally against each other, it is just game stuff. Chelsie told her without coming out and telling her there was no way she could vote for her with all the history of some shady behavior, but Leah still tried a bit. I think MJ did a good thing making this happen because she could hear them both talk, figure out the truth was somewhere in the middle. She can still apologize to Leah and tell her there is a lot there and continue to tell her she felt like she had no choice but to do this or she would be the next target (which I believe was real for her). So she probably preserved her jury vote IF she can make it there. MJ did also admit she was naive, especially in the game having learned it while playing, so she is at least self aware in that regard.

I think we will see Leah try to swing something to get 2 votes and ask MJ if she will break the tie to keep her. Not sure what the hell that would be, but with this season, I never count ANYTHING out. And if she can't squeeze out 2 votes, she very well could cause trouble for Chelsie who I think she blames for this whole (and rightfully so). Cam and Angela come to mind for that revenge she may be seeking moving forward. Chelsie did impart A LOT of information to Leah about the MJ/Cam thing, so she could plant some seeds there too.

I'm tired of the MJ learning the game while playing excuse. She is not hte first recruit to ever play hte game and she obviously did zero preparation for it so that excuse is no good. Especially this late in the game. Why did she not have this discussion before the replacement? Because Chelsie basically wouldn't let her.

ctown28 wrote:

I'm tired of the MJ learning the game while playing excuse.  She is not hte first recruit to ever play hte game and she obviously did zero preparation for it so that excuse is no good.  Especially this late in the game.  Why did she not have this discussion before the replacement?  Because Chelsie basically wouldn't let her.

It is not an excuse, it is just a fact that she has been learning the game as she goes along. Whether or not she did her homework before coming in has nothing to do with it either. She came into this game not knowing a damn thing about it and has came from zero to here. It is crazy that she got to this point considering all the sloppy gameplay and stupid mistakes she made along the way, but she is here and was in a pretty good position UNTIL this latest blunder of putting up Leah.

As far as not meeting with Leah, that was all on MJ. She basically chickened out of doing it and that was a BIG mistake. When talking to others about the possibility she posed the question to them (even Kimo and Rubina) whether she should talk before or after. SHE decided to talk to her and Chelsie spending the night in the HOH room was something they planned before any of this came up.

Truth be told, I think she didn't meet with her ahead of time partly because she wasn't sure she was going to go through with it and wanted to sleep on it and partly because she thought she HAD to do it at that point and didn't want to be talked out of it. I think that is why she left Angela on the block too, just in case Chelsie's mind could be changed about voting her out, hence the threeway discussion last night.

The point is, I'm not going to give her credit because she is learning as she goes. If I'm playing a game I know nothing about where the top prize is $750,000, you can bet your ass I'm not going into that game blind, which is what she appears to have done. She is not the first recruit ever to play the game unprepared and she certainly will not be the last. The fact that she has gone as far as she has is not a credit to her. Chelsie found a way to play it to her advantage (Which is some of the very little decent gameplay we've seen the season). Leah was a recruit as well, and I don;t see anything about saying "remember, she's just learning as she goes"


Now don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about all the bad gameplay we've seen. It's made the season what it is. Without the bad gameplay, we'd most likely be subject to another one of those boring seasons with steamrolls and all voting with the house. There has not been a single unanimous vote this season

ctown28 wrote:

The point is, I'm not going to give her credit because she is learning as she goes.  If I'm playing a game I know nothing about where the top prize is $750,000, you can bet your ass I'm not going into that game blind, which is what she appears to have done.  She is not the first recruit ever to play the game unprepared and she certainly will not be the last.  The fact that she has gone as far as she has is not a credit to her.  Chelsie found a way to play it to her advantage (Which is some of the very little decent gameplay we've seen the season).  Leah was a recruit as well, and I don;t see anything about saying "remember, she's just learning as she goes"  


Now don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about all the bad gameplay we've seen.  It's made the season what it is.  Without the bad gameplay, we'd most likely be subject to another one of those boring seasons with steamrolls and all voting with the house.  There has not been a single unanimous vote this season

Leah hasn't been learning as she goes, so maybe she did better homework or whatever. She knew the game from the start, and what she didn't know, she learned from Quinn by picking his brain about it. Plus Leah reads people very well because of the job she has, which has been her best asset. She just let some of that go when she was convinced that Quinn, Joseph and even Cam on the down low would take her to the end.

MJ had ZERO understanding of this game. Yes, that is on her for not learning more about the game before coming in there, but I don't think she really expected to win, just do something fun, meet some people, be on TV and compete. Again, not an excuse just noting the facts of the situation.

Then again look at the people who actually know the game and have been fans forever who are playing crazy and stupid too, like Quinn and Angela. Even Joseph understood the mechanics of the game, he just didn't navigate or execute it well.

Chelsie has played well, and this is her game to lose, but because of her batshit crazy obsession with Cam and his attention and wanting POC's at the end of the game, it makes me root for her less and less. Her wanting to take Rubina to the final 3 with her and Cam is not because she is beatable, because Kimo is probably much less likely to win things than Rubina, it has to do with her being a female POC that she wants to have represent this season.

A lot of times people who know the game too well end up being flops. Ever since Ian won his season, everyone wants to be a "Superfan" and thinks they can win. Yes, Ian was a deserving winner, but he got very lucky to win that season.

Funny thing with MJ is that move after move she just looks stupid. Social media is eating her up over this. Now I don't think it's anything that will have long lasting repercussions (at least it shouldn't) but she's going to have to deal with people who know her having some fun with her (Think of what Jeff had to go through with his friends and clown shoes)

It reminds me of a funny story actually. Almost 30 years ago, the Browns used to have this thing at halftime wher fans get to go on the field and try to kick field goals. The longer you make it, the better prize you win. If you miss 2 in a row, that's it, you're done. Well my father always told my mother he could do that and all this crap. So he put a bunch of entries into different mailboxes around the city. The nwhen they called to tell him he would be kicking at a game in a few weeks he was ecstatic. Then the reality set in. He never kicked field goals and if he doesn;t make at least one, all his freinds will never let him live it down. So I became his coach, brought him to the high school to practice and all that fun stuff. Of course, the day he was scheduled to do it was one of the windiest days of the year.

How did he do? I'm glad you asked:



Now we hae to watch it at hlftime of the Superbowl every year!

ctown28 wrote:

A lot of times people who know the game too well end up being flops.  Ever since Ian won his season, everyone wants to be a "Superfan" and thinks they can win.  Yes, Ian was a deserving winner, but he got very lucky to win that season.

Funny thing with MJ is that move after move she just looks stupid.  Social media is eating her up over this.  Now I don't think it's anything that will have long lasting repercussions (at least it shouldn't) but she's going to have to deal with people who know her having some fun with her (Think of what Jeff had to go through with his friends and clown shoes)

It reminds me of a funny story actually.  Almost 30 years ago, the Browns used to have this thing at halftime wher fans get to go on the field and try to kick field goals.  The longer you make it, the better prize you win.  If you miss 2 in a row, that's it, you're done.  Well my father always told my mother he could do that and all this crap.  So he put a bunch of entries into different mailboxes around the city.  The nwhen they called to tell him he would be kicking at a game in a few weeks he was ecstatic.  Then the reality set in.  He never kicked field goals and if he doesn;t make at least one, all his freinds will never let him live it down.  So I became his coach, brought him to the high school to practice and all that fun stuff.  Of course, the day he was scheduled to do it was one of the windiest days of the year.

How did he do?  I'm glad you asked:



Now we hae to watch it at hlftime of the Superbowl every year!

Wow, what a cool memory. So what did he win?

Yes, she has looked stupid for many of the things she has done this season, but somehow she survives it (at least up to now), which makes it even more unlikely that she would get to this point in the game. I mean she had no REAL alliances, not even Leah with the way she always threw her name out there for noms and such. She just kept going and going with it. She never gave up, and won when she HAD to win. But this one does top them all and I think she is the type of person who can roll with the punches as far as being ribbed about things and she does her fair share of ribbing people in the house about day to day things.

I go back and forth as to whether she will survive the DE or not, and I felt that even before she put up Leah. She can't play HOH, so all she has is the veto (thankfully everyone will play now). If she doesn't win it, I can see her going home. But I can also see Chelsie or Cam passing on that opportunity to go ahead and take Angela out because it would really be a shitty thing to do to someone you have supposedly been working with for several weeks after she just made this move on Leah. I don't see Kimo or Rubina winning the HOH (Rubina wants to throw it because she thinks she doesn't get a basket), but if either of them did she probably sits on the block next to Angela. I just don't think Cam and Chelsie would send her packing because then they don't have the majority any longer.

chap5788 wrote:

ctown28 wrote:

A lot of times people who know the game too well end up being flops.  Ever since Ian won his season, everyone wants to be a "Superfan" and thinks they can win.  Yes, Ian was a deserving winner, but he got very lucky to win that season.

Funny thing with MJ is that move after move she just looks stupid.  Social media is eating her up over this.  Now I don't think it's anything that will have long lasting repercussions (at least it shouldn't) but she's going to have to deal with people who know her having some fun with her (Think of what Jeff had to go through with his friends and clown shoes)

It reminds me of a funny story actually.  Almost 30 years ago, the Browns used to have this thing at halftime wher fans get to go on the field and try to kick field goals.  The longer you make it, the better prize you win.  If you miss 2 in a row, that's it, you're done.  Well my father always told my mother he could do that and all this crap.  So he put a bunch of entries into different mailboxes around the city.  The nwhen they called to tell him he would be kicking at a game in a few weeks he was ecstatic.  Then the reality set in.  He never kicked field goals and if he doesn;t make at least one, all his freinds will never let him live it down.  So I became his coach, brought him to the high school to practice and all that fun stuff.  Of course, the day he was scheduled to do it was one of the windiest days of the year.

How did he do?  I'm glad you asked:



Now we hae to watch it at hlftime of the Superbowl every year!

Wow, what a cool memory.  So what did he win?

It was sponsored by Continental airlines so he won flight for two to anywher in continental USA

chap5788 wrote:

Yes, she has looked stupid for many of the things she has done this season, but somehow she survives it (at least up to now), which makes it even more unlikely that she would get to this point in the game.  I mean she had no REAL alliances, not even Leah with the way she always threw her name out there for noms and such.  She just kept going and going with it.  She never gave up, and won when she HAD to win.  But this one does top them all and I think she is the type of person who can roll with the punches as far as being ribbed about things and she does her fair share of ribbing people in the house about day to day things.  

You know who else did a lot of stupid things and managed to survive in their season while being a recruit? JC in season 20. Many recruits make it so far because they have no idea how to play and are not really much of a threat. But on the flip side here, MJ actually can win comps so could really fuck up your game if she's in a position to, that could be why Chelsie gets rid of her as soon as she can, before someone else has a chance to get her to do something against Chelsie.

AS it stands now recruits are: MJ, Leah, Cam and Rubina whereas applicants are Chelsie, Angela and Kimo

What a cool way to win a trip. The memory of just being on that field in front of the crowd would really be great, but actually accomplishing it and winning is really something!