Felicia veto

OK, all the pieces are in place, now it's just a matter of seeing if Felicia pulls the trigger

I don't think Felicia will be shy about pulling the trigger. I think she knows this is probably her big moment in the house (I really don't see her winning something other than a crapshoot, she doesn't hold details well for mental comps) and she wants to make it count. When Cameron told Red about the plan he already started the narrative of this being a "house move" not a Felicia move, but she is the HOH and is willing to take the shot, so there is that.

I think Red will actually throw the comp because he won't want to be the one to step up and take Cameron down and be the reason Hisam goes home, just in case the vote flips. I think Cory will throw it as well. Now that I think about it, winning may end up resting with Cameron or Jag because Izzy talks tough, but she can't really handle pressure if Hisam starts going off on her (and you know he would).

Now I am just waiting for the multiverse thing to kick in and somehow keep him from being there during the veto ceremony or something which would piss me off royally, and production LOVES to piss me off.

Jag won veto!

Yes, Jag won and Blue was telling him his veto speech is going to be epic (Where have I heard that before)

Here's the thing though, the current plan is to blindside Hisam as a replacement nom, which would be great. I just don't see it happening. Unfortunately, I think blindsides are a thing of the past on this show. All the HG's are afraid to hurt the others feelings and want to give the a heads up. This all started way back around BB 17 & 18 because Asian James decided it's not a nice thing to do and seasons have followed suit. With the exception of Big Brother 20, when have we last seen a true blindside? I don't even know if you could call 20 blindsides because Fessy would've been blindsided when finding out squirrels eat nuts.

I don't think anyone in the house right now really has the guts to go up to Hisam and tell him he is going to be the replacement nom because they know he will go off big time and who wants to be the one to bring that on the house before the veto meeting?

The only way I don't see this happening is if someone does something REALLY, REALLY STUPID prior to the meeting on Monday and it would have to be a HUGE thing. Izzy is all up in arms because she hates Cameron so much and said something during camera talk about flipping the vote but she is tired or something, but I don't see her trying that. She isn't going to go against Cirie for sure.

I just can't wait until Monday and hopefully they will bring the feeds right back up so we can see a little of Hisam throwing a tantrum, but I'm thinking they will probably keep the feeds down until he calms down.

Now while I really dislike Hisam, I still think it's a bad move to get rid of him when he is not going after you or even on his radar, this move would be even stupider. Why flip from one person in you alliance to another in that same alliance. Matt, Cameron or Cory should be their target right no, get someone out from the other side and send the first male out the door. Kill 2 birds with one stone

This is why she's 0-4 in Survivor, she's not a very strategic player and this is playing with emotions instead of strategy

IMO, the smart thing to do at this point is to come clean with Hisam, sit his ass down before the veto meeting and tell him how close he is to becoming the target with his shitty behavior and talking over everyone in his alliance. Tell him that you do not want to break up the alliance this early but he will leave them no choice if he doesn't clean up his act and knock the shit off. See how he reacts to that and if he's still an asshole, then you send him packing. Yes, that's taking a chance and it's putting you on his radar but this is where you make a deal with him for safety moving forward. He is always talking about integrity and such so I think you'd be able to take him at his word.

The move is to send Cameron packing and breaking up that closeness he has with Red and brings Red further on your side

No surprise here:

So it had to have been a rewards punishment veto. So why is this the first we're hearing about it? Either the feeds are cutting when they talk about it, or this is a shitty cast that does no camera talking

Apparently words were exchanged between Cameron and Izzy (what's new, it happens every few days) and this is part of the fuel to the fire here.  She is so pissed off and Cirie was trying to calm her down.

Add to that, Red not only threw the veto today, but apparently threw the HOH (and looked bad doing it in both cases according to several hg's), so they think he is laying low until Hisam is out of the game and then he is going to pull in Cameron and take out people like Cirie, Izzy and Felicia.  I get where she thinks Izzy would be a target, but to screw up everyone's game to keep Izzy comfortable and safe is just stupid.

Then I thought maybe she was just blowing smoke and when Hisam went on his crazy talk about making the "right" decisions and "expelling" Felicia from the alliance and such because she said they needed to have a meeting but went to Felicia quickly to update her.  They met briefly and basically just kind of left it that Matt would be going up, but Felicia also told Matt not to believe that if he heard it because she is NOT doing that.

Cirie also talked to Cory at one point asking if Cameron and Red would target her and Cory said "not right away" which didn't help her feel better. She finally got a quick talk to Jared and said she can see right through so many of these people because she has played these games so often and she thinks the biggest threat is leaving Red and Cameron in the game together. Jared rightly tells her that changing it now will fuck up everything, but she doesn't seem to be buying it too much. This would be the DUMBEST move ever.

I hear what you are saying Ctown that it is stupid to get rid of people who are not a threat to your own game, but all ANYONE has to do is step outside the line with Hisam (either real or imagined) and he is ready to "expel them from the alliance" as a result? That isn't safety, that is playing under somebody else's thumb for the benefit of THEIR game and not your own. Plus they have told the ENTIRE house the plan and then want to back out at the last minute? They will never have an ounce of credibility for the rest of the game.

And lastly if she REALLY thinks that Red/Cameron duo is that scary, then why the hell did she pull the plug on keeping Reilly last week? They could have sent Cameron packing. Hisam couldn't play this week and there are so many targets, she would have been far from the top. Last Wednesday she told everyone "no waffling Wednesday" to shut down the talks, so now she needs to shut her mouth.

About the veto comp itself, all I heard any of them say was that they had to crawl through slime and it sounds like some people got stuck and some almost lost shorts, etc. I knew there were also feathers because Cameron asked Jag if he was coughing up feathers. Both of them were really coughing a lot and Jag sounded really hoarse, but he apparently has problems with asthma. But in the hg's defense, they kept cutting the feeds with that wormhole thing every couple of minutes following the comp which is why we didn't hear much about it.

That stupid Professors meeting was held in the HOH room. All but Hisam decided to fake him out again and pretend they are all okay with Matt going on the block and being sent packing. He did take Izzy's advice and didn't take over the entire conversation, but that also had to do with Felicia saying that she wanted to go around the room and have everyone state who they wanted as a replacement and who to go home and they all said Matt. It was Izzy's idea to do this to keep Hisam calm about things, but I wouldn't have placated him in that way. I would have let him keep ranting and raving (and digging his hole even bigger) because there is no way he would have let it go until the meeting happened. This would have been an even better way to point out his behavior "bringing it on himself" (like he said of Reilly) because he won't let anyone else play their own game in any way, shape or form. This makes THEM look like the "bad guys" and Hisam to look like the victim (at least on the episode) and since CBS has been protecting him I would have preferred they have PLENTY of content to show what an asshole he actually is.

This whole "expel" Felicia from the alliance is a new development and all I can say is wow. You know the veto will certainly be used and the replacement nom has yet to be decided. So what do you think the best course of action is? To threaten the HoH with expulsion? Yeah, that's a good way to play the game. At that point, if I were in Felicia's position I would just tell him "OK, look asshole, since you think you are the smartest person in the room and will control this HoH with your bullshit threats, I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag, you're the replacement nom and come Thursday, you will be going home. Who's expelled now mother fucker?!"

ctown28 wrote:

This whole "expel" Felicia from the alliance is a new development and all I can say is wow.  You know the veto will certainly be used and the replacement nom has yet to be decided.  So what do you think the best course of action is?  To threaten the HoH with expulsion?  Yeah, that's a good way to play the game.  At that point, if I were in Felicia's position I would just tell him "OK, look asshole, since you think you are the smartest person in the room and will control this HoH with your bullshit threats, I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag, you're the replacement nom and come Thursday, you will be going home.  Who's expelled now mother fucker?!"

I absolutely LOVE your style Ctown! Doing that would be SOOOO satisfying. The thing is I am not sure Felicia knows that Hisam said that. I think only Cirie and Izzy know this. I'm guessing they didn't tell Felicia because they still are not 100% sure that Hisam should go. Hisam even said "he will not risk his game on any player who makes bad decisions" which means anyone who disagrees with what he wants to do.

I just hope they actually stick to taking out Hisam. I rarely ever say anyone DESERVES or doesn't DESERVE to be in the house, but this is one of those time. This guy doesn't deserve to have any kind of platform to spread his bullshit. He NEEDS to be cut down to size. I can't wait to watch him campaign to people. I actually wonder if he WILL campaign. I could see him being one of those people who wallow in self pity and just wait for time to leave the house, but that would of course be after making everyone miserable for a couple of days by telling them how stupid everyone else in the house really is.

And while Felicia is in the HOH room, Izzy and Cirie are having their "doubts" once again and paranoia about various hg's.

Jag told Izzy he wanted to have some time with the HOH today to check in and discuss things. She told him that "they" made time for him last week when he was trying to save Reilly so "they" will talk to him this week or something like that.

Then Izzy conveyed this conversation to Cirie and said she thinks it is shitty that they made time for Jag last week and now he doesn't even make eye contact with her after winning the veto and knowing he is safe. Then Cirie said they need to make sure Matt is in line with "the 7" and not making any other outside plans because she would be very upset if SHE saved him and he goes and does something else. But meanwhile she has made several alliances that don't include him. The egos of these people is astounding.

Izzy started making the rounds and doing fact checking/finding with people. Her and Izzy want to know why America told Cory about another group of theirs but left Mecole off the roster or something.

Long and short of it is, Izzy will come back with BIG information that shows they need to rethink what they are doing or some stupid shit like that again.

Cory was in a decent spot in the game with nobody really looking at him since last week when his name was being thrown around. I thought he had a really good thing going with America and how Jared keeps him updated and off the target list, but it seems like he is going to shed his relationship with America simply because they were thinking of throwing her up as the replacement and made him think it was bad for his game being around her.

On the one hand I think he is a smart, strategic player, but his fear will never allow him to get to the end. He either has to get over that hurdle or be at the mercy of others for the rest of the game. In his camera talks he always says he is not "an HOH kind of guy" and that no matter what you do at the end of the week, one person is staying in the house who will target you because you put them up. I thought America was pulling him along a bit, but maybe not. Cory is an idiot if he doesn't at least give her a heads up she is on some radar screens out there.

So feeds have been down for the veto meeting, it looks like the plan will actually go through to put up Hisam. A lot of people are expecting this big blow up and temper tantrum from him when feeds return. I just don't see that happening. While he may be an asshole, I've seen nothing from him that leads me to believe he has an explosive temper. A more likely scenario is for him to pout for a day or two and then get to work on campaigning for himself.

ctown28 wrote:

So feeds have been down for the veto meeting, it looks like the plan will actually go through to put up Hisam.  A lot of people are expecting this big blow up and temper tantrum from him when feeds return.  I just don't see that happening.  While he may be an asshole, I've seen nothing from him that leads me to believe he has an explosive temper.  A more likely scenario is for him to pout for a day or two and then get to work on campaigning for himself.

I think he is 100% a hothead just based on his comments about people being stupid and such. He is very quick to flip on someone just for having a different idea, let alone something like this. I COULD see a scenario where he thinks that "poor Felicia is just confused" because he thinks she is an invalid with only half her brain functioning or something, but once he realizes that this is absolutely happening, he will definitely explode.

If he does take your "pouting route" option and then start campaigning, I just wonder if it will be DEMANDS or if it will be EDUCATING the more stupid people in the house in his mind?

Coming up on two hours of feeds being down. Something is definitely going down that they don't want us to see until Wednesdays show

Well, it is done, Hisam is on the block. I think they kept the feeds down to have all the fallout to show in the episode. Izzy said Hisam stared hard daggers at her and Felicia when Felicia named him. Following the meeting, he apparently met with Izzy and Felicia separately one-on-one in the HOH room. According to Izzy it was "intense" but no yelling. She said she told him everything.

When the feeds came back he was standing in the kitchen, kind of hat in hand demeanor with Izzy and Cirie saying how he was sorry if he made them feel "othered" or "less than" because it wasn't his intention. He talked about how loyal he was to the professors ALWAYS and they will all see it on TV when they get out. If he gets evicted on Thursday, even if there is a battle back he will just go home because he has limited time and anyone coming back in the house doesn't have a chance anyway.

He seems to be MOST fixated on America (the player) as the reason for his demise. He thinks that because she shared with Cirie and others that Hisam referred to them as the leftovers or people he got stuck with and that bad information made this happen. He is willing to let that go, stay and fight for all of them, protect all of them just like before, etc. He is a protector. He even did a little voice crack thing at one point.

Now when he met with America (the player) she said he did make those comments. He tried to gaslight her about it, but she said he must not remember or something. Anyway, they left it there. He is telling people he doesn't lie and "deserves a second chance because he is a good person who was fighting for his group." I REALLY wish that SOMEONE would say "well there are consequences to actions, just like it was for Reilly, and you just made a miscalculation unfortunately" and just walk away from him.

Now what made me sick was Cirie standing there shell-shocked while he talked and almost feeling bad and such, and then when he walked away she looked at Izzy and Mecole (she joined at the end) and said "so is EVERYONE else in the house lying now?" I thought SHE would at least have the balls to stand there and say "Hisam, this is a result of YOUR OWN ACTIONS by being a dictator and not allowing the rest of us to play our game. You barked orders. You asked questions and then answered them yourself. Nobody else's opinions had any value. THIS is why you are in this position and nothing else."

I predict there will be some entertaining of flipping this votes several times over the next few days.

Yes, the deed is done, but it looks like they lied to him about the reason he's up there and that's why all the "misinformation" bullshit is coming out. These HG's need to get a spine and tell him flat out that it is because of his actions and the way he talks to people. Things they heard him say themselves so that he can't deny it. As I expected, there was no real blow up, at least not anything that they showed. I'm wondering how much shit will be scripted come the veto show Wed night and that's why the feeds were down so long as they had to keep redoing things.

I laugh at all hte Hisam defenders on social media complaining that without Hisam, there wll be no drama and that's why he's needed. They apparently don't pay much attention as yesterday, even before the meeting, the drama wasn't around Hisam it was on plans moving forward. I still think it's a mistake to get rid of the shield, but they made their bed and now he's no longer an ally.