Chelsie HOH

Apparently she really didn't want the HOH, but people dropped like flies. Someone said 8 people were eliminated on 1 questions alone. Anyway, it sounds like her target is Lisa and she said Angela expects to go up.

Chelsie is in a couple of alliances and she did some camera talk that this is not what was best for her game, but she will figure something out. I believe it was T'Kor who told her she could put up Makensy, Angela ad Kenney if she wanted to "make a little bit of a move" (whatever that means), but she said her target is Lisa so that would be strange. She is in a bit of a spot, especially if veto goes the wrong way because she is supposedly aligned with quite a few people and there are different members here and there.

OK, I can't believe we are into the second week and these people still have not learned something I've been saying for years, but it carries much more weight this season with the twist. You NEED to have 2 targets each week. And backdoors are even harder to pull off due to the AI arena. I have no problem with the target being Lisa but she needs to have a secondary target. I think it would be shitty of her to put Angela up after Angela kept her safe the entire week when she couldn't play in anything. Of course, dipshit Kenney offered to go up a the third nom so he wll not be around much longer, I think he got in over his head and just wants to leave but doesn't want to self evict. I'd like to see her put Quinns ass up on the block and let him feel a bit of pressure. MJ already told Chelsie about her power so it may even be a good move to throw her ass up on the block and flush that power out

I can't really get a handle on who Chelsie is actually playing with to be honest. She seemed very close with Quinn, T'kor and their group, but also seems to like to work with Leah and Makensy. If Kenney volunteered, then he can go as well. I really thought I would like him as a player, but maybe he put too many of his eggs in Matt's basket and just doesn't see any other path. Still, to just give up pisses me off so I hope it was just to try to get some goodwill or something.

She is going to have to determine what group means more to her and make her noms based on that. I mean she doesn't have to blow up the other one by any means, but she needs some input from people she ACTUALLY wants to work with otherwise it makes her look like a lone wolf.

Angela, Kenney and Lisa are up. I still think she did Angela dirty after Angela kept her and Cedricbsafe last week. The smart move would have been MJ, Lisa and Quinn. Flush out those powers. Its known that MJ has the first and its known that the other is either Lisa or Quinn. Kenney make no sense. When you get someone that just wants to throw in the towel and go home, that's the person to keep. If it's that bad for them, they'll quit on their own and you're another step closer to the end.

Ok, Chelsie can officially fuck off. I get why people sometime throw the HoH or the veto (understand but never agree to throw any comp), but it makes absolutely zero sense to want to throw the veto when you are the HoH. Why on earth would you want to give up that control?

That decision about not putting up the mascots was more than likely made by "the house" and not a personal deal by Angela. Sure, she had the power and kept them safe, but they weren't even on her radar anyway. And Angela has nobody to blame but herself because she talks to people as friends and then goes batshit crazy and exposes shit about people that sometimes isn't even true, just shit she dreams up in her head. She is the one who told everyone about Lisa supposedly having the other power and it was some sort of "double vote" thing. She apologized to Lisa's face, said she didn't want anything to happen to her, but then spread shit about her so I don't feel a damn bit sorry for Angela.

Kenney basically told Chelsie he wanted to make sure he could play veto (probably thought there were plans to take him out the same way they did Matt). Or, you could be right and he just wants a path to the exit. I hate it when anyone gives up, but I just don't see him actually doing it. I don't know what it is about this guy, but I just like him for some reason. I may regret that and he may just wimp out and quit, but it's not like I haven't been wrong about people I like and dislike before.

Lisa was a last minute nominee, even though she is supposed to be the target. Chelsie was looking for a pawn from her own team but people were wishy-washy about it (duh, I wonder why?) and the DR was calling her in there.

Also, I thought they would have upgrades/downgrades every week, but I guess it was just that first week. That is something BB usually doesn't do, just a 1-week kind of thing, but they wouldn't have let her make noms if there was anything else coming, or at least I wouldn't think so.

I don't want Kenney to go home, but Lisa or Angela can go as far as I am concerned. I would LOVE to see Angela have to be on the block the rest of the week though. The roller coaster and paranoia will be palpable.

I know it was a house decision, but she didn't have to accept it and we know it wouldn't be out of character for her to go off on her own and do what she wants. If I'm in that house, and win the HoH, when that discussion is going on, I'm voicing a dissenting opinion on it. I don't care if it's "not fair" they are easy nominations. Now if the house is that adamant on it, then it's just stupid to go against the house nd put that target on you for principles.

I still would not have Angela on the block if it's my HoH. Not even as a pawn. I want her in that house to be someone else's target and keeping the focus off of me. Especially this early in the game.

While Chelsea is uncertain over if Lisa or Quinn has power, she is 100% certain MJ has it a it came straight from MJ's mouth. And that is 100% why you put them up and flush that power out.

This is where I get irrationally pissed off at some of these idiots. Chelsie is going to sit there and talk about how she wants Lisa, MJ or Leah gone this week, but heading into the AI arena she's only gonna have one of them sitting on the block because she doesn't want to piss off MJ or Leah and will put one of her allies up in Tucker.

I really don't care for Lisa, but now I hope she wins the AI arena

I think Chelsie wants someone else to make the decision on who goes up, but then behind the scenes tells her pentagon alliance she wants one those girls out. I don't know what her problem with Makensy or Leah is other than the fact that Leah and Cam have been spending A LOT of time together and Makensy has that power. Because she knows about this power (supposedly in confidence), I don't think she feels like she can put up Makensy at this point. Chances are she won't go home and the she has Leah and Makensy coming after her and Leah has been at the top of all the comps.

Truth be told, I think Angela is leaving this week (unless she wins AI arena) and Chelsie sees Angela as a shield to her alliance and thinks she is safe with her. The thing these people need to remember is that Angela is with someone until she's not. If Tucker is the replacement look for another meltdown by her once again and I am wondering if Quinn's power will be outed by it. She told Kimo yesterday "I used to have Quinn, but now I don't."

And that's the mistake that Chelsie makes with this HoH. Regardless of MJ's power, you have 3 noms, you put up MJ, Laah and Lisa. OK, MJ will use her power if she doesn't win the regular veto and you still have the numbers to protect whoever America puts up as the replacement (most likely Angela, but they don't know that)

There are however some kinks in this strategy. If Leah wins veto and saves herself AND Mak uses her power, but you still have Lisa on the block moving forward and Leah and MJ are on an island. The main kink in this scenario for us viewers is that it reinforces the whole "everyone needs to vote with the house" thing, which we all hate

Actually I think she has done okay with her HOH. She has a very good chance of sending her main target home and she really hasn't pissed off anyone else. Even Angela isn't really that pissed at Chelsie and understands that she almost HAD to put her up because of the crazy shit she did last week and offended even people she was supposed to be aligned with. Kenney volunteered thinking he could maybe win the veto comp (which he did) and it would give him an "in" with some people in the house. It looked like that might be happening a little bit, but it fizzled really quick. The only one who is 100% on his side seems to be Leah.

And Chelsie doesn't really care who voted for Matt, it is the fact that Lisa won't admit it that bothers her there. Apparently the vote was "supposed to be 6-5" but I wonder if Lisa voted to keep Matt if that would have flipped it the other way if everyone voted as they said they would. But it really doesn't matter at this point and I think they should just let it go.

If she had put Leah and Makensy up, and it played out as you posted above, she would have 2 people coming after her because there is no real "explanation" to give since others were supposed to vote differently too and left those girls out of the loop. Plus putting up Makensy means an automatic new nominee that could be someone in her own group, then having to name someone to replace Leah too, that's A LOT of blood on her hands. I think with the exception of wanting to let the veto winner (in this case Kenney) choose the replacement because it is their win was a dumb strategy. What if Kenney had come back and said he wanted someone from her core group? Then what?

I think for her desired outcome, this was probably the best she could have done.

chap5788 wrote:

I think for her desired outcome, this was probably the best she could have done.

And what happens when Lisa wins AI arena and zero of her 3 go home? IS she really that scared of Leah and MJ? The MJ nom is explained easily enough that it is a move to flush out the power. It is simply strategy and not personal. If anything it would be a lesson learned for MJ to learn to keep her mouth shut about such things.

She wants to play zero risk all reward, well that is a stupid way to play this game. You have to take some risk to GUARANTEE a desired outcome, not just see the way the cards fall and hope for the best.

I hope the AI Arena comp deals with the most efficient way to spread glitter!

ctown28 wrote:

chap5788 wrote:

I think for her desired outcome, this was probably the best she could have done.

And what happens when Lisa wins AI arena and zero of her 3 go home?  IS she really that scared of Leah and MJ?  The MJ nom is explained easily enough that it is a move to flush out the power.  It is simply strategy and not personal.  If anything it would be a lesson learned for MJ to learn to keep her mouth shut about such things.

She wants to play zero risk all reward, well that is a stupid way to play this game.  You have to take some risk to GUARANTEE a desired outcome, not just see the way the cards fall and hope for the best.

I hope the AI Arena comp deals with the most efficient way to spread glitter!

Okay, that is true, she could miss, but that is only ONE person who stays in the house looking at her with the side eye instead of possibly having 3. And let's remember she only wants Angela to stay as a shield but worries about her outbursts and info she could tell everyone.

I get what you are saying that putting up 3 people who are targets ensures one of them definitely goes home, but that can be a dangerous way to play as well, especially this early.

The more I hear Chelsie talk to people, the more confused I become. I thought Lisa was her only real target from the time she won HOH to now. But, she told T'kor today that her original plan was to "backdoor either Angela or Lisa." So I wonder if her conversation with Angela about not wanting to put her up but had to because of what she did last week pissing off so many people in the house was just crap. Not that it matters, she can tell anyone anything she wants to, but she continued this narrative all week until right now, so it is very strange.